bluedevil Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Net earnings of $461.2 million; combined ratio of 91.2% :) http://www.fairfax.ca/files/doc_news/2014-Q3-Press-Release-FINAL.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cageyone Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Love it when results are lumpy to the upside! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorrofan Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 thanks for posting this - I forgot all about the results being out today. Not like the old days when we were in the seven lean years...... cheers Zorro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairfaxnut Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 All of our major insurance companies again had combined ratios less than 100% in the quarter with OdysseyRe at 88.3% and Zenith at 83.8% Zenith another jewel in Fairfax's crown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhacker Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 This was better than I expected, very nice! I'd like to see a few more years of insurance results (preferably with some cats) to see that insurance is fixed (my belief for a long time)... we'll see. Good to see the results (insurance and investing) starting to work together. it's just a quarter, but it makes me smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskin212 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Another couple quarters like this and Prem will stop his quarterly conference calls :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crip1 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Net earnings (loss) per diluted share in the first 9 months of 2013: $ 72.53. I bought more than 1/3rd of my FFH holdings at below $100 and got some for $79. Kind of hard to fathom. -Crip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwoodman Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 A very tidy quarter. Well done to to all at FFH and so good to see the plan paying off At 1.1x's book with downside protection this is looking cheap again Cheers Nwoodman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giofranchi Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 At 1.1x's book with downside protection this is looking cheap again I agree, and it is exactly what I was saying a few days ago in another thread about FFH. Also Q4 looks good until now, with US government rates that have come down substantially since the end of Q3. Gio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giofranchi Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Zenith another jewel in Fairfax's crown! I believe you are right! :) Gio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCitiesCapital Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Certainly great results 1) anybody follow insurance well enough to know if we're seeing a slow hardening of rates or are the results just a lack of catastrophes? 2) interesting to see hedges down further to 79%. Wonder if they'll talk about a change in strategy here. I have mixed feelings about this. Glad to see equity exposure that begins to have meaningful impacts on earnings but....kind of frustrated that we're only 79% hedged now that they seem to be ripe for paying off. I'm just waiting for deflation hedges to begin paying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benhacker Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Zach, running a long / short portfolio is hard. If you are 100% hedged, and then your longs outperform your shorts ... does that mean you short more to bring your hedging back inline? Sell longs? Some of both? Fairfax had the opposite problem when their shorts outperformed their longs (do you close losing shorts? Do you add to losing longs?)... it's the nature of the beast. One of the reasons shorting really sucks / is hard! For insurance pricing, AON Benefield and Marketscout have some commentary, and other insurer conf calls are helpful. Pricing has been rising (in general) for insurance... not so much for RE, but nothing dramatic. I think we are just seeing Fairfaxs true results without the legacy reserve additions from 10+ year old business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCitiesCapital Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Totally understand the long short dilemma - just frustrated to put up with so many foregone gains to not fully capitalize in a drop that looks more likely from here than in previous years. I've done long/short bets that lost me money on both legs - didn't add to either side, simply closed out the trade and haven't attempted it again. I'm too familiar with how difficult it is and how to manage the sizing of each side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giofranchi Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 kind of frustrated that we're only 79% hedged now that they seem to be ripe for paying off. I think the fact is there is still a very real possibility of a melt up in stock prices, before the bubble bursts. Think of a Shiller P/E for the S&P500 that goes from 26 to 30. This is how bubbles usually behave towards their end. And I guess this is the reason Fairfax is keeping its hedges, but not increasing them. Btw, I am doing the same! ;) Gio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giofranchi Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I think we are just seeing Fairfaxs true results without the legacy reserve additions from 10+ year old business. +1! ;) And I have just bought more today. Cheers, Gio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obtuse_investor Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I bought some more FFH today too: 1.12xBook isn't a bad entry point, at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I bought some more FFH today too: 1.12xBook isn't a bad entry point, at all. I am now a long term FFH holder, too :). I am still thinking how to trick myself into not selling in the next 10-20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/fairfaxs-prem-watsa-disconnect-between-markets-and-global-economy/article21400404/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombgrt Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I bought some more FFH today too: 1.12xBook isn't a bad entry point, at all. I am now a long term FFH holder, too :). I am still thinking how to trick myself into not selling in the next 10-20 years. Make it hard to trade. Different brokerage account and throw the login passwords away/erase them from memory. Contact your broker for a new password in 10-20 years. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourkid8 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 You can hold physical certs and store at the bank in a safety deposit box! :) Tks, S I bought some more FFH today too: 1.12xBook isn't a bad entry point, at all. I am now a long term FFH holder, too :). I am still thinking how to trick myself into not selling in the next 10-20 years. Make it hard to trade. Different brokerage account and throw the login passwords away/erase them from memory. Contact your broker for a new password in 10-20 years. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no_free_lunch Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Does anyone know what this is about? It's the first I have heard of it. Both Watsa and Fairfax president Paul Rivett are part of an ongoing investigation by the Quebec securities regulator over possible insider trading or tipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter1234 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Does anyone know what this is about? It's the first I have heard of it. Both Watsa and Fairfax president Paul Rivett are part of an ongoing investigation by the Quebec securities regulator over possible insider trading or tipping. Maybe this sheds some light on the issue http://business.financialpost.com/2014/08/01/fairfax-financial-and-ceo-prem-watsa-probed-for-insider-trading/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giofranchi Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Conference Call Transcript Giofairfax-financial-holdings-Q3-2014-conference-call-transcript.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombgrt Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 You can hold physical certs and store at the bank in a safety deposit box! :) Tks, S I bought some more FFH today too: 1.12xBook isn't a bad entry point, at all. I am now a long term FFH holder, too :). I am still thinking how to trick myself into not selling in the next 10-20 years. Make it hard to trade. Different brokerage account and throw the login passwords away/erase them from memory. Contact your broker for a new password in 10-20 years. ;) Not possible in Belgium anymore. Wouldn't be surprised if it was the same for Germany (for frommi). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I don`t think its possible and there where at least two bank robberies in germany this year where a lot of deposit boxes where stolen, so i don`t trust that method. Or is my name on the stock certificate? While we are at that topic, are my stocks safe when they are in an electronic brokerage and an EMP hits the whole world and kills all electronic devices? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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