Trump and the american politics sideshow

[rkbabang]

I think the US political system is actually pretty good. Its strange to me to see how much people criticize it.

 

As an American, I am embarrassed by our political system.  And I am greatly dismayed over the debate that is occurring over minimum wage.  There should be no debate.  Economic elites want low income people to live in cardbox boxes forever though.  They (the economic elites) need more money after all.

 

I think there should be a debate. I can think of many arguments against any minimum wage.

 

In schools, we teach our kids that we are a democracy.  I wish we taught the various forms of government and told the kids to decide what we are.  HINT: We are not a democracy.  We are a country controlled by economic elites and interest groups.

 

America is not a democracy and it never ever was supposed to be. The Founding Fathers thought democracy was a horrible system and they were right. The fact that economic elites have disproportionate impact on the political system is in my view an extremely good thing and also exactly the way the system was designed to function.

 

I never understand why people are interested in populist democracy.

 

Theoretically democracy doesn't work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem.

 

In the most ideal settings (voters are very interesting in issues, spend enormous time debating) it doesn't work

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/08/showbiz-tonight-flashpoint-is-american-idol%E2%80%99s-voting-system-flawed/

 

Historically it has never worked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy#Criticism_of_the_democracy

 

And presently its a disaster ex. India, Venezuela.

 

The hilarious thing to me about all of this is that the whole reason democracy even has a good name today is because of the success of the United States. You shouldn't be criticizing the US for not being democratic enough. You aught to be criticizing democracy for not being US-like enough.

 

 

While I disagree with you about the US system being "pretty good", I do agree with you 100% in that a true democracy would be much worse.

 

What makes the US system so bad is how much power is currently concentrated in the federal government.  Regardless of the details about how it operates a better system would be so powerless that no one would bother trying to buy influence.

[boilermaker75]

I think the US political system is actually pretty good. Its strange to me to see how much people criticize it.

 

As an American, I am embarrassed by our political system.  And I am greatly dismayed over the debate that is occurring over minimum wage.  There should be no debate.  Economic elites want low income people to live in cardbox boxes forever though.  They (the economic elites) need more money after all.

 

I think there should be a debate. I can think of many arguments against any minimum wage.

 

In schools, we teach our kids that we are a democracy.  I wish we taught the various forms of government and told the kids to decide what we are.  HINT: We are not a democracy.  We are a country controlled by economic elites and interest groups.

 

America is not a democracy and it never ever was supposed to be. The Founding Fathers thought democracy was a horrible system and they were right. The fact that economic elites have disproportionate impact on the political system is in my view an extremely good thing and also exactly the way the system was designed to function.

 

I never understand why people are interested in populist democracy.

 

Theoretically democracy doesn't work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem.

 

In the most ideal settings (voters are very interesting in issues, spend enormous time debating) it doesn't work

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/08/showbiz-tonight-flashpoint-is-american-idol%E2%80%99s-voting-system-flawed/

 

Historically it has never worked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy#Criticism_of_the_democracy

 

And presently its a disaster ex. India, Venezuela.

 

The hilarious thing to me about all of this is that the whole reason democracy even has a good name today is because of the success of the United States. You shouldn't be criticizing the US for not being democratic enough. You aught to be criticizing democracy for not being US-like enough.

 

 

While I disagree with you about the US system being "pretty good", I do agree with you 100% in that a true democracy would be much worse.

 

What makes the US system so bad is how much power is currently concentrated in the federal government.  Regardless of the details about how it operates a better system would be so powerless that no one would bother trying to buy influence.

 

At the start of the republic, Washington and Hamilton had to acquire enough power for the executive branch to insure the republic would survive. Jefferson and Madison were opposed to, and strongly fought Washington's and Hamilton's efforts to increase power in the Executive branch. But as presidents, neither Jefferson or Madison relinquished any of the power in the executive branch!

[rkbabang]

I think the US political system is actually pretty good. Its strange to me to see how much people criticize it.

 

As an American, I am embarrassed by our political system.  And I am greatly dismayed over the debate that is occurring over minimum wage.  There should be no debate.  Economic elites want low income people to live in cardbox boxes forever though.  They (the economic elites) need more money after all.

 

I think there should be a debate. I can think of many arguments against any minimum wage.

 

In schools, we teach our kids that we are a democracy.  I wish we taught the various forms of government and told the kids to decide what we are.  HINT: We are not a democracy.  We are a country controlled by economic elites and interest groups.

 

America is not a democracy and it never ever was supposed to be. The Founding Fathers thought democracy was a horrible system and they were right. The fact that economic elites have disproportionate impact on the political system is in my view an extremely good thing and also exactly the way the system was designed to function.

 

I never understand why people are interested in populist democracy.

 

Theoretically democracy doesn't work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem.

 

In the most ideal settings (voters are very interesting in issues, spend enormous time debating) it doesn't work

http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/08/showbiz-tonight-flashpoint-is-american-idol%E2%80%99s-voting-system-flawed/

 

Historically it has never worked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy#Criticism_of_the_democracy

 

And presently its a disaster ex. India, Venezuela.

 

The hilarious thing to me about all of this is that the whole reason democracy even has a good name today is because of the success of the United States. You shouldn't be criticizing the US for not being democratic enough. You aught to be criticizing democracy for not being US-like enough.

 

 

While I disagree with you about the US system being "pretty good", I do agree with you 100% in that a true democracy would be much worse.

 

What makes the US system so bad is how much power is currently concentrated in the federal government.  Regardless of the details about how it operates a better system would be so powerless that no one would bother trying to buy influence.

 

At the start of the republic, Washington and Hamilton had to acquire enough power for the executive branch to insure the republic would survive. Jefferson and Madison were opposed to, and strongly fought Washington's and Hamilton's efforts to increase power in the Executive branch. But as presidents, neither Jefferson or Madison relinquished any of the power in the executive branch!

 

Yes, exactly the case. I'm sure if you made me president, I'd abuse my power as well.