PullTheTrigger Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Cline will resign. Should the FEGP Option be exercised (i) Christopher Cline has indicated that he will resign as a director of FEGP, (ii) Murray Energy has indicated that it will appoint Robert Edward Murray as a director of FEGP, (iii) it is expected that Robert D. Moore will become chairman of FEGP’s board of directors and (iv) it is expected that Paul Vining will remain on the board of directors of FEGP. Robert Edward Murray is 43 years old and since February 2015 has been the Executive Vice President—Marketing and Sales of Murray Energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green King Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Cline will resign. Should the FEGP Option be exercised (i) Christopher Cline has indicated that he will resign as a director of FEGP, (ii) Murray Energy has indicated that it will appoint Robert Edward Murray as a director of FEGP, (iii) it is expected that Robert D. Moore will become chairman of FEGP’s board of directors and (iv) it is expected that Paul Vining will remain on the board of directors of FEGP. Robert Edward Murray is 43 years old and since February 2015 has been the Executive Vice President—Marketing and Sales of Murray Energy. Source please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PullTheTrigger Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1540729/000156459017003586/felp-8k_20170307.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadfly Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1540729/000156459017003586/felp-8k_20170307.htm Thank you, I misread that as he was going to resign as chairman of FEGP, but remain as a board member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heth247 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thanks for the link Ismael. I am not saying that Murray will give the shaft to the unit holders, I am saying that I don't see a reason as to why this stock will be bid up based on the distributions considering there is a chance that Murray will take it private. Murray has way too many options to take it private, here is one way he can do it. "Our general partner has a call right that may require unitholders to sell their common units at an undesirable time or price. If at any time our general partner and its affiliates own more than 80% of the common units, our general partner will have the right, which it may assign to any of its affiliates or to us, but not the obligation, to acquire all, but not less than all, of the common units held by unaffiliated persons at a price equal to the greater of (1) the average of the daily closing price of the common units over the 20 trading days preceding the date three days before notice of exercise of the call right is first mailed and (2) the highest per-unit price paid by our general partner or any of its affiliates for common units during the 90-day period preceding the date such notice is first mailed. As a result, unitholders may be required to sell their common units at an undesirable time or price and may not receive any return or a negative return on their investment. Unitholders may also incur a tax liability upon a sale of their units. Our general partner is not obligated to obtain a fairness opinion regarding the value of the common units to be repurchased by it upon exercise of the limited call right. There is no restriction in our partnership agreement that prevents our general partner from causing us to issue additional common units and exercising its call right. If our general partner exercised its limited call right, the effect would be to take us private and, if the units were subsequently deregistered, we would no longer be subject to the reporting requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, or the Exchange Act. Upon consummation of this offering, and assuming no exercise of the underwriters’ option to purchase additional common units, Foresight Reserves and Michael J. Beyer will own an aggregate of 85.9% and 0.6%, respectively, of our common and subordinated units, respectively. At the end of the subordination period, assuming no additional issuances of units (other than upon the conversion of the subordinated units), Foresight Reserves and Michael J. Beyer will own an aggregate of 85.9% and 0.6%, respectively, of our common units. For additional information about the limited call right, please read “The Partnership Agreement—Limited Call Right.”" So the LP call right only can be exercised when Murray owns 80% of common units (FELP), not FEGP. Given that he only owns 55% (after the sub converts), why worry for now? I would worry if Cline + Beyer start to sell their remaining 30% of FELP common units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PullTheTrigger Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Heth, thanks for clarifying. I must have read that 10 times and it was stuck in my head the limited call right was 80% of GP instead of 80% of common (probably because Murray is currently contributing $60M to get to 80% of GP currently). It will be difficult for Murray to get 80% of the common unless Cline sells. Why would he sell now for less? It's currently at a 20% yield not even taking into account the arrears owed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe4less Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thanks for the link Ismael. I am not saying that Murray will give the shaft to the unit holders, I am saying that I don't see a reason as to why this stock will be bid up based on the distributions considering there is a chance that Murray will take it private. Murray has way too many options to take it private, here is one way he can do it. "Our general partner has a call right that may require unitholders to sell their common units at an undesirable time or price. If at any time our general partner and its affiliates own more than 80% of the common units, our general partner will have the right, which it may assign to any of its affiliates or to us, but not the obligation, to acquire all, but not less than all, of the common units held by unaffiliated persons at a price equal to the greater of (1) the average of the daily closing price of the common units over the 20 trading days preceding the date three days before notice of exercise of the call right is first mailed and (2) the highest per-unit price paid by our general partner or any of its affiliates for common units during the 90-day period preceding the date such notice is first mailed. As a result, unitholders may be required to sell their common units at an undesirable time or price and may not receive any return or a negative return on their investment. Unitholders may also incur a tax liability upon a sale of their units. Our general partner is not obligated to obtain a fairness opinion regarding the value of the common units to be repurchased by it upon exercise of the limited call right. There is no restriction in our partnership agreement that prevents our general partner from causing us to issue additional common units and exercising its call right. If our general partner exercised its limited call right, the effect would be to take us private and, if the units were subsequently deregistered, we would no longer be subject to the reporting requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, or the Exchange Act. Upon consummation of this offering, and assuming no exercise of the underwriters’ option to purchase additional common units, Foresight Reserves and Michael J. Beyer will own an aggregate of 85.9% and 0.6%, respectively, of our common and subordinated units, respectively. At the end of the subordination period, assuming no additional issuances of units (other than upon the conversion of the subordinated units), Foresight Reserves and Michael J. Beyer will own an aggregate of 85.9% and 0.6%, respectively, of our common units. For additional information about the limited call right, please read “The Partnership Agreement—Limited Call Right.”" So the LP call right only can be exercised when Murray owns 80% of common units (FELP), not FEGP. Given that he only owns 55% (after the sub converts), why worry for now? I would worry if Cline + Beyer start to sell their remaining 30% of FELP common units. I think the worry is that Murray could offer a bid for the LP with a minimal premium once he has control of the GP. My reading of the partnership agreement is that he can do this if the GP's board simply approves the offer. The agreement states he can (but is not obligated to) seek approval from the conflicts committee or from a majority of the outstanding LP common units (excluding the nits owned by the GP or its affiliates). I think Valcont is right and there is a risk that Murray makes a buyout offer with a minimal premium. Not sure how easily Murray could come up with the money to do this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heth247 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Heth, thanks for clarifying. I must have read that 10 times and it was stuck in my head the limited call right was 80% of GP instead of 80% of common (probably because Murray is currently contributing $60M to get to 80% of GP currently). It will be difficult for Murray to get 80% of the common unless Cline sells. Why would he sell now for less? It's currently at a 20% yield not even taking into account the arrears owed. I think so too. I would think the resignation of Cline from the FEGP board is expected. They already granted Murray the right to purchase the remaining interest of FEGP in 2015 for $25MM if I remember correctly. Maybe that is all this Murray's talking of "bring Foresight under Murray Energy" about... and he did not really mean to take FELP private. I just don't see how that can be done in the short term given the reserve group's stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heth247 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I think the worry is that Murray could offer a bid for the LP with a minimal premium once he has control of the GP. My reading of the partnership agreement is that he can do this if the GP's board simply approves the offer. The agreement states he can (but is not obligated to) seek approval from the conflicts committee or from a majority of the outstanding LP common units (excluding the nits owned by the GP or its affiliates). I think Valcont is right and there is a risk that Murray makes a buyout offer with a minimal premium. Not sure how easily Murray could come up with the money to do this though. I don't think so (but here is the disclamer: English is not my first language). In general, GP can only have impact on the operation of the company, not the economic ownership of the company, which is LP. Also, when a controlling shareholder acquires the company, due to the conflict of interest, I think there is some law that requires the "majority of the minority shareholder approval". https://www.davispolk.com/files/uploads/davis.polk.going.private.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe4less Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I think the worry is that Murray could offer a bid for the LP with a minimal premium once he has control of the GP. My reading of the partnership agreement is that he can do this if the GP's board simply approves the offer. The agreement states he can (but is not obligated to) seek approval from the conflicts committee or from a majority of the outstanding LP common units (excluding the nits owned by the GP or its affiliates). I think Valcont is right and there is a risk that Murray makes a buyout offer with a minimal premium. Not sure how easily Murray could come up with the money to do this though. I don't think so (but here is the disclamer: English is not my first language). In general, GP can only have impact on the operation of the company, not the economic ownership of the company, which is LP. Also, when a controlling shareholder acquires the company, due to the conflict of interest, I think there is some law that requires the "majority of the minority shareholder approval". https://www.davispolk.com/files/uploads/davis.polk.going.private.pdf Generally, you are correct, but the rules are different because we have a partnership, not a corporation. FELP's partnership agreement specifically gives the GP the right to evaluate and accept merger proposals on behalf of LP unitholders. The limited fiduciary duty typical of most GP-LP relationships in the MLP space has been tested a number of times and the Delaware courts appear to have generally upheld the agreements that give GPs wide discretion. For example: https://www.klgatesdelawaredocket.com/2016/04/chancery-court-reaffirms-the-ability-of-limited-partnerships-to-contract-around-fiduciary-duties/ http://www.ncpers.org/files/Conference%20Docs/Public%20Safety/2014%20Handouts/Robert%20Kriner_Tuesday.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heth247 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I think the worry is that Murray could offer a bid for the LP with a minimal premium once he has control of the GP. My reading of the partnership agreement is that he can do this if the GP's board simply approves the offer. The agreement states he can (but is not obligated to) seek approval from the conflicts committee or from a majority of the outstanding LP common units (excluding the nits owned by the GP or its affiliates). I think Valcont is right and there is a risk that Murray makes a buyout offer with a minimal premium. Not sure how easily Murray could come up with the money to do this though. I don't think so (but here is the disclamer: English is not my first language). In general, GP can only have impact on the operation of the company, not the economic ownership of the company, which is LP. Also, when a controlling shareholder acquires the company, due to the conflict of interest, I think there is some law that requires the "majority of the minority shareholder approval". https://www.davispolk.com/files/uploads/davis.polk.going.private.pdf Generally, you are correct, but the rules are different because we have a partnership, not a corporation. FELP's partnership agreement specifically gives the GP the right to evaluate and accept merger proposals on behalf of LP unitholders. The limited fiduciary duty typical of most GP-LP relationships in the MLP space has been tested a number of times and the Delaware courts appear to have generally upheld the agreements that give GPs wide discretion. For example: https://www.klgatesdelawaredocket.com/2016/04/chancery-court-reaffirms-the-ability-of-limited-partnerships-to-contract-around-fiduciary-duties/ http://www.ncpers.org/files/Conference%20Docs/Public%20Safety/2014%20Handouts/Robert%20Kriner_Tuesday.pdf Thanks for the links. I think it is good to keep this in mind. However, if Murray is going to make an offer when he has not yet owned 80% of LP, then I suppose that he will still be obligated to obtain a fairness opinion regarding the value of common units? I did not dig further into those deals in your links, was any of them bought out at 2X~3X DCF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe4less Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 I think the worry is that Murray could offer a bid for the LP with a minimal premium once he has control of the GP. My reading of the partnership agreement is that he can do this if the GP's board simply approves the offer. The agreement states he can (but is not obligated to) seek approval from the conflicts committee or from a majority of the outstanding LP common units (excluding the nits owned by the GP or its affiliates). I think Valcont is right and there is a risk that Murray makes a buyout offer with a minimal premium. Not sure how easily Murray could come up with the money to do this though. I don't think so (but here is the disclamer: English is not my first language). In general, GP can only have impact on the operation of the company, not the economic ownership of the company, which is LP. Also, when a controlling shareholder acquires the company, due to the conflict of interest, I think there is some law that requires the "majority of the minority shareholder approval". https://www.davispolk.com/files/uploads/davis.polk.going.private.pdf Generally, you are correct, but the rules are different because we have a partnership, not a corporation. FELP's partnership agreement specifically gives the GP the right to evaluate and accept merger proposals on behalf of LP unitholders. The limited fiduciary duty typical of most GP-LP relationships in the MLP space has been tested a number of times and the Delaware courts appear to have generally upheld the agreements that give GPs wide discretion. For example: https://www.klgatesdelawaredocket.com/2016/04/chancery-court-reaffirms-the-ability-of-limited-partnerships-to-contract-around-fiduciary-duties/ http://www.ncpers.org/files/Conference%20Docs/Public%20Safety/2014%20Handouts/Robert%20Kriner_Tuesday.pdf Thanks for the links. I think it is good to keep this in mind. However, if Murray is going to make an offer when he has not yet owned 80% of LP, then I suppose that he will still be obligated to obtain a fairness opinion regarding the value of common units? I did not dig further into those deals in your links, was any of them bought out at 2X~3X DCF? I actually don't think he needs a fairness opinion. In fact, it looks like the standard that the partnership agreement holds the GP too ("Good Faith") does not require a transaction to be "fair," just that the GP believes the transaction to be in the best interest of the LP. I think the requirement practically means that it has to be at or above the trading price over the last so-many days or some similar standard. I do not think he can in "good faith" make an offer below the then current stock price. I don't know what multiples the other companies were bought out for. It is possible that a low valuation would preclude a bid with a minimal premium, if the valuation were so low that unitholders could sue and effectively argue it was in Bad Faith, but I'm not a lawyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valcont Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Thanks for the links. I think it is good to keep this in mind. However, if Murray is going to make an offer when he has not yet owned 80% of LP, then I suppose that he will still be obligated to obtain a fairness opinion regarding the value of common units? I did not dig further into those deals in your links, was any of them bought out at 2X~3X DCF? Take a look at what I bolded earlier. They can always issue additional shares to their affiliates and bump up their ownership to 80%. I am not saying this can happen. In fact Murray has a reputation of not fleecing his debtors so hopefully he'll be fair to the common unit holders too. I am trying to figure out what is the legal protection that an LP have that I can fall back on other than Murray's goodwill. I understood the protections when the PIKs were outstanding but I can't see any clause that protect us post refinance. On the other side, Cline was buying up FELP shares at $6.75. Why would he do that unless he knows that its undervalued. And I am not sure why would Murray take it private right off the bat ? I can see him doing that if the market doesn't give any credit to Felp's low cost structure and it trades at higher yield. So its not as clear cut as "the price will be $12 once the refinancing is done." "Our general partner has a call right that may require unitholders to sell their common units at an undesirable time or price. If at any time our general partner and its affiliates own more than 80% of the common units, our general partner will have the right, which it may assign to any of its affiliates or to us, but not the obligation, to acquire all, but not less than all, of the common units held by unaffiliated persons at a price equal to the greater of (1) the average of the daily closing price of the common units over the 20 trading days preceding the date three days before notice of exercise of the call right is first mailed and (2) the highest per-unit price paid by our general partner or any of its affiliates for common units during the 90-day period preceding the date such notice is first mailed. As a result, unitholders may be required to sell their common units at an undesirable time or price and may not receive any return or a negative return on their investment. Unitholders may also incur a tax liability upon a sale of their units. Our general partner is not obligated to obtain a fairness opinion regarding the value of the common units to be repurchased by it upon exercise of the limited call right. There is no restriction in our partnership agreement that prevents our general partner from causing us to issue additional common units and exercising its call right. If our general partner exercised its limited call right, the effect would be to take us private and, if the units were subsequently deregistered, we would no longer be subject to the reporting requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, or the Exchange Act. Upon consummation of this offering, and assuming no exercise of the underwriters’ option to purchase additional common units, Foresight Reserves and Michael J. Beyer will own an aggregate of 85.9% and 0.6%, respectively, of our common and subordinated units, respectively. At the end of the subordination period, assuming no additional issuances of units (other than upon the conversion of the subordinated units), Foresight Reserves and Michael J. Beyer will own an aggregate of 85.9% and 0.6%, respectively, of our common units. For additional information about the limited call right, please read “The Partnership Agreement—Limited Call Right.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valcont Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Since this is my 300th post , I'll ask a spiritual question How do we break Picasso's silent fast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heth247 Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Take a look at what I bolded earlier. They can always issue additional shares to their affiliates and bump up their ownership to 80%. The following is what I found out from the prospectus, regarding when the GP can cause LP to issue more common units: The holder or holders of our incentive distribution rights may elect to cause us to issue common units to it in connection with a resetting of the target distribution levels related to the incentive distribution rights, without the approval of the conflicts committee of our general partner’s board of directors or the holders of our common units. This could result in lower distributions to holders of our common units. The holder or holders of a majority of our incentive distribution rights (initially our general partner) have the right, at any time when there are no subordinated units outstanding and we have made cash distributions in excess of the then-applicable third target distribution for each of the prior four consecutive fiscal quarters, to reset the initial target distribution levels at higher levels based on our cash distribution levels at the time of the exercise of the reset election. Following a reset election by our general partner, the minimum quarterly distribution will be calculated equal to an amount equal to the prior cash distribution per common unit for the fiscal quarter immediately preceding the reset election (such amount is referred to as the “reset minimum quarterly distribution”) and the target distribution levels will be reset to correspondingly higher levels based on percentage increases above the reset minimum quarterly distribution. If our general partner elects to reset the target distribution levels, it will be entitled to receive a number of common units. The number of common units to be issued to our general partner will equal the number of common units that would have entitled the holder to an aggregate quarterly cash distribution for the quarter prior to the reset election equal to the distribution on the incentive distribution rights for the quarter prior to the reset election. We anticipate that our general partner would exercise this reset right in order to facilitate acquisitions or internal growth projects that would not be sufficiently accretive to cash distributions per unit without such conversion. However, our general partner may transfer the incentive distribution rights at any time. It is possible that our general partner or a transferee could exercise this reset election at a time when we are experiencing declines in our aggregate cash distributions or at a time when the holders of the incentive distribution rights expect that we will experience declines in our aggregate cash distributions in the foreseeable future. In such situations, the holders of the incentive distribution rights may be experiencing, or may expect to experience, declines in the cash distributions it receives related to the incentive distribution rights and may therefore desire to be issued our common units rather than retain the right to receive incentive distributions based on the initial target distribution levels. As a result, a reset election may cause our common unitholders to experience reduction in the amount of cash distributions that they would have otherwise received had we not issued new common units to the holders of the incentive distribution rights in connection with resetting the target distribution levels. Please read “How We Make Distributions To Our Partners—General Partner Interest—Incentive Distribution Right Holders’ Right to Reset Incentive Distribution Levels.” It is related to resetting of target distribution, and has to be done when there are no sub units anymore and they have made cash distributions in excess of the then-applicable third target distribution for each of the prior four consecutive fiscal quarters. I would think that, by that time the market would have already valued FELP at a much higher (and fair) price. Is there any other situation where the GP dilute LP? I have to admit that I haven't read the whole prospectus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paarslaars Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Since this is my 300th post , I'll ask a spiritual question How do we break Picasso's silent fast? I suggest we don't and let the man come up with the next multibagger? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heth247 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 The pricing of the Second Lien Senior Notes is announced, at 11.5%. But it is not clear to me what pricing they agreed on the $825MM first priority term loan and $170MM credit facility. Foresight Energy LP (NYSE:FELP) today announced that its wholly owned subsidiaries, Foresight Energy LLC (the “Company”) and Foresight Energy Finance Corporation (the “Co-Issuer” and, together with the Company, the “Issuers”) have priced their previously announced offering (the “Offering”) of 11.50% Second Lien Senior Secured Notes due 2023 (the “Notes”), in an aggregate principal amount of $425 million. The Notes will be guaranteed by the wholly-owned domestic restricted subsidiaries of the Company that guarantee the Credit Facilities (as defined below). The Offering of the Notes is expected to close on or about March 28, 2017, subject to certain closing conditions. In addition to the Notes, the Company also announced that it has agreed to terms on an $825 million senior secured first-priority five-year term loan (the “Term Loan”), representing an increase of $75 million from the previously announced size, and a $170 million senior secured first-priority four-year revolving credit facility (the “Revolving Credit Facility” and, together with the Term Loan, the “Credit Facilities”). The aggregate principal amount of the Notes represents a $75 million decrease from the previously announced aggregate principal amount of the Notes, corresponding to the increase in the Term Loan, and the maturity of the Notes represents a one-year reduction in the previously announced maturity of the Notes. The Issuers intend to use the net proceeds from the Notes and borrowings under the Term Loan, together with an equity contribution from Murray Energy Corporation and cash on hand, to refinance the following indebtedness: the Issuers’ Second Lien Senior Secured PIK Notes due 2021; the Issuers’ Second Lien Senior Secured Exchangeable PIK Notes due 2017; and the Company’s outstanding credit facilities, including the revolving credit facility and the term loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PullTheTrigger Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Yes, they didn't specify. Wasn't the existing at L + 5.5%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roark33 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Multi-baggers only exist if you sell, so we will have to see where this ends up when everyone decides to sell. How's that for bait to bring Picasso back to the table.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heth247 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Yes, they didn't specify. Wasn't the existing at L + 5.5%? Arch coal was able to refinance to L + 4%, for $300MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paarslaars Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 Multi-baggers only exist if you sell, so we will have to see where this ends up when everyone decides to sell. How's that for bait to bring Picasso back to the table.... You can sell right now for a 4-bagger (from 1.7$) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roark33 Posted March 17, 2017 Share Posted March 17, 2017 could be the reason for the "quiet" and slight pressure on stock...:) Will anything draw him out?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadfly Posted March 19, 2017 Share Posted March 19, 2017 With all this talk of nefarious Murray activity I was thinking… There has been discussion of Murray taking FELP private at a "fair price" (20 day avg VWAP or something) when he has 80% of the common units. A lot of people on here are worried he might issue common units and then force a buyout... To me it seems like there is no reason Murray would want to do this. Imagine after owning the majority GP in a few weeks he wants to take it private this way. After the subs convert there will be around 140 million common units, of which Murray will have roughly 50%. In order to have 80% of common units he will need to issue and buy around 210 million units (280/350). So even if the shares traded down to a $3 20day VWAP (the “fair price”) after the sub to common conversion, it would still cost him a total of $1,120 million to take it private this way ($630 million new issuance + $210 million for current common holder buyout + $280 million for MQD and $2.02 distribution to convert subs). And that is assuming a $3 price post conversion. It would be totally uneconomical if prices were where they are today ($2,010 = $1,300 + $280 + 430) So why would he do the above when he could alternatively do this: settle the MQDs and $2.02 distribution to convert the commons for roughly $280 million and offer something like $10 a share for the 70 million common units post conversion. The total cost of this would be cheaper ($980 million = $280 + $700). Given that I don't think Murray can come up with a billion dollars anytime soon, this makes me think this will remain public for the foreseeable future, and trade up significantly when the distributions bring back institutional money and yield chasers. Does that make sense or am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valcont Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Do any of you hold FELP in your 401K/IRA account? I have some in my 401K account and I'm getting ready to file taxes. Their K1 shows negative income on line 20v. My question is do you report negative income on your taxes to increase the cost basis? My understanding is that since the capital gains and distributions are not taxed in a tax efficient account, it wouldn't matter if you maintain the basis. We have to worry about the UBTI but I am not sure how that is tied to the basis. Anyone dealt with this? BTW if its in the IRA then you don't have to worry about filing the taxes since your custodian will take care of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyten1 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 i have been trying to read up on MLP in IRAs, i guess specifically due to FELP. Should you hold FELP in IRA or a taxable account considering what is currently going on at FELP (no income, potential future distribution and a large cap gain.) I guess the more specific question is if you bought FELP in the past year and has a large cap gain, does it make sense to sell it now in your IRA account to capture the cap gain, assuming you don't have to pay cap gain tax because its held in IRA? and then buy back FELP in your taxable account to potentially side step future UBTI you might have to pay in your IRA????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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