wisdom Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I can not imagine a more dangerous scenario than the most powerful country being run by a person who has visions of grandeur. He is ignorant about policies and the world, offers over simplified solutions and because he is so full of himself thinks he knows it all. At a time when the world is moving to extremes and economic growth is slowing it is human nature for the average person to strike out. This can not be a good combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I can not imagine a more dangerous scenario than the most powerful country being run by a person who has visions of grandeur. Is he the new leader of China. The USA is no longer the most powerful country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 On what basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merkhet Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 How do you change your vote? Move to Canada. Canada has the worst government since inception. In the poll! How do you change your vote in the thread's poll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 But I'm a crazy European socialist. I think it's a worrying trend that nationalism is on the rise in basically every western country. +1 to writser. I also worry about rising nationalism. However, about Trump - I don't support him, but I think I prefer him to the Christian right ideologues of Republican party. Trump is a clown and a55hole, but he's somewhat "our" a55hole. Just look at his past opinions about hot topics: he opined with Democrats more than with Christian right. Of course, it's impossible to rely on his past opinions, since he's a loose canon and he can change his opinion tomorrow. But I'd rather have that than someone who has these opinions set in stone and will never change them. I think that people comparing Trump to Hitler are taking an easy and false strawman shortcut. This is not something to be proud of. finally I agree with Jurgis on a political post. The growing nationalism and xenophobia scares the hell out of me, but all and all Trump isn't any worse than the other candidates on many issues and a hell of a lot better on others. He's bombastic and I think this started as a publicity stunt that turned serious when he started leading in the polls. I'm sure it surprised him as much as it did everyone else. Hillary probably scares me the most out of all of them, because I fear that she is solidly in the pocket of the military industrial complex, where I've heard Trump say things like the world would be better off if the US never invaded Iraq, which is a more sane thing then anything I've heard from any of the other candidates. And I also am glad that he isn't a loony religious nut that thinks god tells him what to do. The other reason I almost hope Trump wins (I won't be voting though) is that people actually see his insanity, where they ignore it in the others almost like its invisible. Take his insane statements about bombing the Terrorists AND their families. People get outraged when he says it, but ignore the fact that Obama quietly does it (link). Since they are all about the same, I'd rather have a president that people get angry at. I don't think any of the candidates will be worse or better for the stock market, unless of course Hillary gets in and starts WWIII to satisfy her buddies in the defense industry, that couldn't be good for stocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisdom Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I can not imagine a more dangerous scenario than the most powerful country being run by a person who has visions of grandeur. Is he the new leader of China. The USA is no longer the most powerful country. If there are no facts to back it up, I can see how Trump could be appealing. It is human nature to believe in stories rather than look for reality. The more grand the fantasy, the easier to believe it. This is also the reason value investors can out perform. So it is to be expected. Though one would hope that the US is a better society than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 merkhet re changing vote. I thought I had checked a box allowing a vote to be changed. other than that I don't know. eb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 How do you change your vote? Move to Canada. Canada has the worst government since inception. In the poll! How do you change your vote in the thread's poll... I understood that you asked about the poll, but since this thread is ::) :o ::) anyway, I thought it was funny to point you in the right direction. I mean in the northern direction. :P Edit: no, poll votes for this poll are not changeable. Probably the author did not actually allow it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uccmal Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 But I'm a crazy European socialist. I think it's a worrying trend that nationalism is on the rise in basically every western country. +1 to writser. I also worry about rising nationalism. However, about Trump - I don't support him, but I think I prefer him to the Christian right ideologues of Republican party. Trump is a clown and a55hole, but he's somewhat "our" a55hole. Just look at his past opinions about hot topics: he opined with Democrats more than with Christian right. Of course, it's impossible to rely on his past opinions, since he's a loose canon and he can change his opinion tomorrow. But I'd rather have that than someone who has these opinions set in stone and will never change them. I think that people comparing Trump to Hitler are taking an easy and false strawman shortcut. This is not something to be proud of. finally I agree with Jurgis on a political post. The growing nationalism and xenophobia scares the hell out of me, but all and all Trump isn't any worse than the other candidates on many issues and a hell of a lot better on others. He's bombastic and I think this started as a publicity stunt that turned serious when he started leading in the polls. I'm sure it surprised him as much as it did everyone else. Hillary probably scares me the most out of all of them, because I fear that she is solidly in the pocket of the military industrial complex, where I've heard Trump say things like the world would be better off if the US never invaded Iraq, which is a more sane thing then anything I've heard from any of the other candidates. And I also am glad that he isn't a loony religious nut that thinks god tells him what to do. The other reason I almost hope Trump wins (I won't be voting though) is that people actually see his insanity, where they ignore it in the others almost like its invisible. Take his insane statements about bombing the Terrorists AND their families. People get outraged when he says it, but ignore the fact that Obama quietly does it (link). Since they are all about the same, I'd rather have a president that people get angry at. I don't think any of the candidates will be worse or better for the stock market, unless of course Hillary gets in and starts WWIII to satisfy her buddies in the defense industry, that couldn't be good for stocks. Good points. The US, or any country, for that matter, is run by its bureaucracy (with obvious exceptions). Trump would be required to politic, the same as anyone. If he proved incapable of getting consensus, the worst case scenario would be a do nothing congress. Not an ideal outcome in our dynamic world, but not a total disaster, either. The world survived the Reagan's astrologer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardboard Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Amazing how this website is populated by so many leftists who will spend a lot of time analyzing a candidate from the right, but zero time on their own. Just like Buffett. Even if Hillary was indicted he would still stick with her. While I don't like Donald Trump, I have to say in his defense that some of his ideas are good and that being an entrepreneur, he tried to build something, had to face issues, compromise, etc. while none of the other candidates did any of this. Cardboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTEJD1997 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Amazing how this website is populated by so many leftists who will spend a lot of time analyzing a candidate from the right, but zero time on their own. Just like Buffett. Even if Hillary was indicted he would still stick with her. While I don't like Donald Trump, I have to say in his defense that some of his ideas are good and that being an entrepreneur, he tried to build something, had to face issues, compromise, etc. while none of the other candidates did any of this. Cardboard While I don't think Trump is the ideal candidate, at least the USA has a chance with him...If Hillary gets in, there is not a doubt in my mind catastrophe will ensue. Additionally, what type of example does she set for younger women? Instead of being inspirational, she is a disgrace. She sets the examples of: A). Tie your horse to a powerful man, piggyback on him. B). Stay in a abusive & humilating relationship if there is something in it for you. C). She enabled Bill's bad behavior by smearing all the women that Bill was fooling around with. That is not an example for ANYBODY these days. Then you've got a list of scandals that goes on & on & on. Then you've got the email server in her bathroom closet... I just don't know what is going to happen to the USA.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Amazing how this website is populated by so many leftists who will spend a lot of time analyzing a candidate from the right, but zero time on their own. Just like Buffett. Even if Hillary was indicted he would still stick with her. While I don't like Donald Trump, I have to say in his defense that some of his ideas are good and that being an entrepreneur, he tried to build something, had to face issues, compromise, etc. while none of the other candidates did any of this. Cardboard I agree with you. The hatred for Trump is palpable, which is what makes me want him to win. All the love Obama gets makes me want to puke and I certainly don't want to spend 4-8 years watching as everyone falls all over themselves to worship at Hillary's feet. I loved it when Bush was president, everyone hated him almost as much as I did and Trump will be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Amazing how this website is populated by so many leftists who will spend a lot of time analyzing a candidate from the right, but zero time on their own. Just like Buffett. Even if Hillary was indicted he would still stick with her. While I don't like Donald Trump, I have to say in his defense that some of his ideas are good and that being an entrepreneur, he tried to build something, had to face issues, compromise, etc. while none of the other candidates did any of this. Cardboard I agree with you. The hatred for Trump is palpable, which is what makes me want him to win. All the love Obama gets makes me want to puke and I certainly don't want to spend 4-8 years watching as everyone falls all over themselves to worship at Hillary's feet. I loved it when Bush was president, everyone hated him almost as much as I did and Trump will be even better. Obama? I never liked him but his comments regarding encryption has made him my enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Since the anti-Democrats here decided to make their voices heard, I'll state that I completely agree with Buffett: Hillary Clinton is the best candidate in this election. No, she's not perfect and not even very attractive from policy standpoints, but there's no one better. Jeb Bush would have been probably the least bad choice from Republican camp, but he's gone now. But then I am one who has "taxation without representation", so I don't even get to vote. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin T Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 This is a horrid topic for this board, politicians are something to be scraped off ones shoe, I'd rather discuss actual issues than any of the narcissists from various parties that want this job no good man can get elected to anymore. My only advice is too stay away from the political Kool-Aid. The only thing as stupid as a room full of Democrats is a room full of Republicans, and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The hatred for Trump is palpable, which is what makes me want him to win. Not sure if you're serious...but if so, that is such an illogical argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Since the anti-Democrats here decided to make their voices heard, I'll state that I completely agree with Buffett: Hillary Clinton is the best candidate in this election. No, she's not perfect and not even very attractive from policy standpoints, but there's no one better. No way, Hillary is such a typical politician: tell everyone what they want to hear (integrity be damned) and line your pockets/accumulate power in the process. Give me a break. IMHO Bernie is the best candidate, but I am open to dis-confirming evidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bookie71 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Frankly he scares the living hell out of me. IF he didn't preach so much hate and violence it would be different. It scares me to think that someone with his attitude could have their finger on the trigger. I don't think he would have much effect on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The hatred for Trump is palpable, which is what makes me want him to win. Not sure if you're serious...but if so, that is such an illogical argument. Illogical if you want the system "to work" whatever that means to you, but not illogical at all if you're goal is the crumbling of the system. The more hatred and disgust politics engenders the less people will look to it to solve problems. The best outcome possible is for people to think of politics as a nasty process that is irrelevant to their lives and to dismiss it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 "The best outcome possible is for people to think of politics as a nasty process that is irrelevant to their lives and to dismiss it completely." That is pretty well the definition of anarchy. I hope you are not serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCitiesCapital Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The best outcome possible is for people to think of politics as a nasty process that is irrelevant to their lives and to dismiss it completely. That is pretty well the definition of anarchy. I hope you are not serious. He is. The hatred for Trump is palpable, which is what makes me want him to win. Not sure if you're serious...but if so, that is such an illogical argument. Illogical if you want the system "to work" whatever that means to you, but not illogical at all if you're goal is the crumbling of the system. The more hatred and disgust politics engenders the less people will look to it to solve problems. The best outcome possible is for people to think of politics as a nasty process that is irrelevant to their lives and to dismiss it completely. I tend to disagree.... I mean, just look at Hillary. Even the majority of Democrats describe her as being untrustworthy, but would vote for her anyways. Congress has abysmal approval ratings, but people keep getting re-elected. Most millenials tend to hold beliefs that would align them as closer center/Libertarian, but will only vote Republican or Democrat because doing otherwise is a "waste of a vote". The majority of people will look to the current system to solve their problems no matter how much they dislike the current system and its participants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Personally, I would rather see more parties in USA. Although multiparty systems have their own issues, but at least it solves the problem of having to vote for someone just because there's only two choices and both unattractive. E.g. in my native country I vote (when I vote) for somewhat economically liberal (i.e. free market with limits and social contracts) and somewhat US-meaning-liberal (i.e. not conservative old fashioned religious-values) party. There is no such choice in USA pretty much. There might be local politicians who lean that way, but not presidential candidates. So, yeah, if I had a vote, I'd choose Democrats just because of the Christian right Republican fringe, which is way more unacceptable to me than the issues I have with Democrats. BTW, though I don't like the political system, I don't like a lot of politicians, I don't have a better suggestion. In some sense democracy is still the least-bad system out there. Sure if we were all enlightened and could propose/select/get enlightened leaders some other way, I'd be happy, but I don't see such a way anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Since the anti-Democrats here decided to make their voices heard, I'll state that I completely agree with Buffett: Hillary Clinton is the best candidate in this election. No, she's not perfect and not even very attractive from policy standpoints, but there's no one better. While Saunders is moronic mrs. Clinton is simply evil. The only candidate of either camp I would give a passing grade is Rand Paul and he dropped out a while ago. I guess I would give Trump the highest of the failing grades of the people still in (still only a 4 out of 10 or something). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The hatred for Trump is palpable, which is what makes me want him to win. Not sure if you're serious...but if so, that is such an illogical argument. Illogical if you want the system "to work" whatever that means to you, but not illogical at all if you're goal is the crumbling of the system. The more hatred and disgust politics engenders the less people will look to it to solve problems. The best outcome possible is for people to think of politics as a nasty process that is irrelevant to their lives and to dismiss it completely. Just curious if you can point to any human society that functioned well with this type of structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 While Saunders is moronic mrs. Clinton is simply evil. What makes you think Sanders is moronic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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