OracleofCarolina Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Weird trading today ...$7.91???? I tried to buy and my online trading site is down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxprogram Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 The only value left after the dividend (if I remember correctly) is the $8.08/share debenture. I am surprised it's not lower. Yes, but remember the 14% yield. If you look at comparable bonds at other restaurant company's, the highest YTM is around 7%. So if SNS redeems the debentures in a year, they should trade around $8.75. At WEST's current price of $9.75 it looks like the market is expecting them to redeem in around 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OracleofCarolina Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 I sold half of my WEST stake today at round $10. My feeling is they will be paid off after the 1st year. It was a weird day as the SNS shares did not show up in my account until about an hour after the market opened. Anyone else selling their WEST shares??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junto Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I sold half of my WEST stake today at round $10. My feeling is they will be paid off after the 1st year. It was a weird day as the SNS shares did not show up in my account until about an hour after the market opened. Anyone else selling their WEST shares??? I am more curious if anyone took advantage of selling the WEST Shares last week starting November 3. The Ex-Dividend date was November 2nd, correct? So in theory, you could have sold your position for ~$14.80 something on Friday and received the SNS shares today as a kicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OracleofCarolina Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 I wonder if this means we will see a 2008 annual letter from Sardar for WEST????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer16 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Does anyone else feel hosed by this deal? I invested in WEST to have Sadar's capital allocation skills but end up with an illiquid HY debt instrument. Worse still, the announcement of the deal was the same day as the annual meeting so no questions could be asked or alternatives suggested. At this point, my only recourse is to vote no on the acqusition. I sent an e-mail to SNS management but got no response. I do not think this was intentional but it has been poorly executed merger at least from my perspective (as an investor who had intended to be a long-term investor when I purchased WEST). Packer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Hi Packer, I think it's the end result of a manager growing his assets under management utilizing various vehicles. The interconnections between Lion Fund, Western Sizzlin, Steak'n Shake, Mustang Capital and Dash Acquisitions (Dash is a director at WEST, shareholder in SNS) probably creates significant conflicts of interest. You've got 4 of those 5 vehicles buying Steak'n Shake, and then various other companies in those different vehicles where the respective manager is a large shareholder...Western Sizzlin, OI Corp, Itex, Sitestar, etc. Merging WEST into SNS simplifies things alot. Buffett had to do the same thing, and he only did it when the SEC forced his hand. Now could things have been done a bit differently. Sure. But he had to make sure WEST shareholders were getting a fair exchange, while SNS wasn't issuing undervalued shares and diluting ownership. By distributing SNS shares, WEST shareholders continue to have Biglari manage their capital. The debentures seem to be the fairest way of valuing WEST's intrinsic value, without SNS having to issue a whole lot of shares that would dilute ownership there. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer16 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Thanks for the reply Sanjeev. I guess he had to make a decision of which of historical groups of investor groups he would favor in these deals to consolidate and in this case I was in the group who lost the most. Part of the game and I will move on to other opportunities. Thx. Packer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarisapirate Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 In light of the illiquid debt instrument that Packer mentions, this makes me wonder (again) when/will the SNS debt be traded OTC? Certainly, I would be willing to buy it at the right price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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