cubsfan Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 the great heather Macdonald https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/22/the-deadly-costs-of-extended-shutdown-orders/ Great article - thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Seems like we need to close down the White House, quarantine the inhabitants and deep clean it. That needed to happen 3 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Seems like we need to close down the White House, quarantine the inhabitants and deep clean it. That needed to happen 3 years ago. Probably better for it to have happened around 11 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 The US is like a big petri dish for the virus. There will be lots of learnings... Colorado restaurant illegally reopens with no social distancing and hundreds of customers - https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/11/colorado-restaurant-illegal-reopening/ “I expected it to be busy. I never expected this,” she told Colorado Community Media. “I’m so happy so many people came out to support the Constitution and stand up for what is right. We did our time. We did our two weeks. We did more than two weeks … and we were failing. We had to do something. ...A sign on the door reportedly read: “ATTENTION: Our freedom doesn’t end where your fear begins. … If you are afraid to be within 6 feet of another person, do not enter this business!” The Yelp review page for C & C Coffee and Kitchen... Arellano’s supporters tried to defend her with compliments, including one woman who said “the coffee is to die for.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Seems like we need to close down the White House, quarantine the inhabitants and deep clean it. Nah, we should reopen it! And no testing, tests are overrated! Make the White House Open Again! Drain it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investor20 Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 Seems like we need to close down the White House, quarantine the inhabitants and deep clean it. Nah, we should reopen it! And no testing, tests are overrated! Make the White House Open Again! I asked several times in this thread. Go to worldometer and show that there is a relationship between tests/million and deaths/million. Japan had 1,694 tests/million with 5 deaths/million Germany 32,829 tests/million with 91 deaths/million US 29,182 tests/million with 246 deaths/million UK 28,309 tests/million with 472 deaths/million US, UK and Germany have similar level of testing with five fold wide range of deaths/million. Japan very low testing with very low deaths/million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cherzeca Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 cuomo is ignorant, but stubborn ignorant is a bad mix. it only took him 5 weeks to reverse a deadly policy requiring nursing homes to accept covid positive patients. how many people did cuomo kill? https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/05/11/andrew-cuomo-backs-down-hospitals-can-no-longer-send-coronavirus-patients-to-nursing-homes-in-new-york/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted May 11, 2020 Share Posted May 11, 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/10/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-recovery.html Debilitating symptoms can last long after a person’s body has gotten rid of the coronavirus, a reality Italians are now confronting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Does it get any more shameless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 WHO is in China's pocket: https://www.yahoo.com/news/says-cannot-invite-taiwan-annual-211559546.html A friend from Taiwan is also firmly against China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 If anyone thinks mass testing would help resolve this pandemic, think about this... In South Korea, if you test positive, you are forced to be admitted to the hospital until you test negative -- which can take over a month in some cases. And if you break the quarantine orders, you will get fined or go to jail. So what would some people do? Just avoid getting tested... Especially if your symptoms are mild or non-existent (which seems to be the majority of the cases), why would you bother? Would you really want to voluntarily get locked up in a hospital and place yourself under full surveillance for a number of days/weeks? Then your identity would be revealed. In South Korea interestingly, there have been outbreaks in a cult church and a gay club... People wouldn't want to get tested and risk revealing themselves. They get bullied and stigmatized both online/offline... so why bother? Sure, testing would help, but it won't resolve the issue with this kind of contagious (and not so lethal) virus. That is... unless you force-test everyone like an authoritarian government... but that won't fly here in North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 If anyone thinks mass testing would help resolve this pandemic, think about this... In South Korea, if you test positive, you are forced to be admitted to the hospital until you test negative -- which can take over a month in some cases. And if you break the quarantine orders, you will get fined or go to jail. So what would some people do? Just avoid getting tested... Especially if your symptoms are mild or non-existent (which seems to be the majority of the cases), why would you bother? Would you really want to voluntarily get locked up in a hospital and place yourself under full surveillance for a number of days/weeks? Then your identity would be revealed. In South Korea interestingly, there have been outbreaks in a cult church and a gay club... People wouldn't want to get tested and risk revealing themselves. They get bullied and stigmatized both online/offline... so why bother? Sure, testing would help, but it won't resolve the issue with this kind of contagious (and not so lethal) virus. That is... unless you force-test everyone like an authoritarian government... but that won't fly here in North America. And I realize that the situation is different here, where people just get sent home and are asked to self-quarantine themselves when you test positive. So when you don't receive any treatment and are just sent home -- what incentivizes people from getting tested? (unless you live with someone who is in the vulnerable group) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 If anyone thinks mass testing would help resolve this pandemic, think about this... In South Korea, if you test positive, you are forced to be admitted to the hospital until you test negative -- which can take over a month in some cases. And if you break the quarantine orders, you will get fined or go to jail. So what would some people do? Just avoid getting tested... Especially if your symptoms are mild or non-existent (which seems to be the majority of the cases), why would you bother? Would you really want to voluntarily get locked up in a hospital and place yourself under full surveillance for a number of days/weeks? Then your identity would be revealed. In South Korea interestingly, there have been outbreaks in a cult church and a gay club... People wouldn't want to get tested and risk revealing themselves. They get bullied and stigmatized both online/offline... so why bother? Sure, testing would help, but it won't resolve the issue with this kind of contagious (and not so lethal) virus. That is... unless you force-test everyone like an authoritarian government... but that won't fly here in North America. Other countries have tested more people per capita than S Korea, without the draconian measures. I fail to see how less information is more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 If anyone thinks mass testing would help resolve this pandemic, think about this... In South Korea, if you test positive, you are forced to be admitted to the hospital until you test negative -- which can take over a month in some cases. And if you break the quarantine orders, you will get fined or go to jail. So what would some people do? Just avoid getting tested... Especially if your symptoms are mild or non-existent (which seems to be the majority of the cases), why would you bother? Would you really want to voluntarily get locked up in a hospital and place yourself under full surveillance for a number of days/weeks? Then your identity would be revealed. In South Korea interestingly, there have been outbreaks in a cult church and a gay club... People wouldn't want to get tested and risk revealing themselves. They get bullied and stigmatized both online/offline... so why bother? Sure, testing would help, but it won't resolve the issue with this kind of contagious (and not so lethal) virus. That is... unless you force-test everyone like an authoritarian government... but that won't fly here in North America. Other countries have tested more people per capita than S Korea, without the draconian measures. I fail to see how less information is more useful. Not saying it isn't useful... but pointing out the shortcoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-11/icelandic-woman-declared-virus-free-ahead-of-103rd-birthday?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_medium=social&utm_content=business 102-Year-Old Icelandic Woman Recovers After Getting Covid-19 Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 I think at this point the only option is to reopen, and quickly. The cost and this outcome were created when Trump and his circle of enablers were chosen. It's now quite impossible to reverse this cost by maintaining the shutdown, it will just increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investor20 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 If anyone thinks mass testing would help resolve this pandemic, think about this... In South Korea, if you test positive, you are forced to be admitted to the hospital until you test negative -- which can take over a month in some cases. And if you break the quarantine orders, you will get fined or go to jail. So what would some people do? Just avoid getting tested... Especially if your symptoms are mild or non-existent (which seems to be the majority of the cases), why would you bother? Would you really want to voluntarily get locked up in a hospital and place yourself under full surveillance for a number of days/weeks? Then your identity would be revealed. In South Korea interestingly, there have been outbreaks in a cult church and a gay club... People wouldn't want to get tested and risk revealing themselves. They get bullied and stigmatized both online/offline... so why bother? Sure, testing would help, but it won't resolve the issue with this kind of contagious (and not so lethal) virus. That is... unless you force-test everyone like an authoritarian government... but that won't fly here in North America. Other countries have tested more people per capita than S Korea, without the draconian measures. I fail to see how less information is more useful. It is wasteful to test unnecessary people such as asymptomatic young people. Yes ofcourse staffers at Nursing homes needs to be tested, which Cuomo just seemed to have realized. But otherwise testing cannot stop the spread of virus since there are lot of asymptomatic carriers. You all praise S. Korea. So, lets listen to the S. Korean expert (see video link below). He says social distancing, hand washing and masks are most important. Listen to video below. If you dont have time just listen to his message to western countries in last one minute. Listen at 14.30 minutes where he says, one needs to have symptoms to test in S. Korea. At 16 minutes he calls western policy (now changed) of not having masks odd. He criticized WHO for saying no need of masks. At 18 minutes he says masks "absolutely" helped reduce infection in S. Korea. Nowhere he makes that claim about testing. So its not just information for sake of information. The purpose is to reduce spread of infection. And resources needs to be focused on where it matters most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 This is how you crush the virus. Meanwhile, unhinged: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1260177007490600960?s=21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 This is how you crush the virus. Meanwhile, unhinged: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1260177007490600960?s=21 I'm surprised Trump hasn't released the vaccine already. You know he's smart enough to get it done. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongHaul Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Pelosi face mask - scarf or whatever she is wearing picture https://thehill.com/homenews/house/497196-house-democrats-press-pelosi-for-automatic-unemployment-insurance-and-food Kind of Amazing that she is wearing a fabric mask. It is better than nothing but not by much. The fact that she is not wearing an N95 or Surgical masks tells you a lot - she is totally clueless about how to seriously kill the virus with masks. Pathetic - and this is the Democratic leadership. (the mask might be fashionable - yeah!) Basically what we have is massive stupidity at high levels of govt - both Republicans and Democrats steering this thing. The deaths from their incompetence will be large. Begs the question - why should we trust them with any other issues if they can't even get this right. BTW - Americans seems like the some of the most spoiled, entitled, selfish and stupid people on the planet. There are parts of American culture that I like but the lack of focus on community at times and selflessness is disgusting. At times we must put aside or emotional wants for the greater good. If you might have the virus and spread it and kill people how is that different from murder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castanza Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Pelosi face mask - scarf or whatever she is wearing picture https://thehill.com/homenews/house/497196-house-democrats-press-pelosi-for-automatic-unemployment-insurance-and-food Kind of Amazing that she is wearing a fabric mask. It is better than nothing but not by much. The fact that she is not wearing an N95 or Surgical masks tells you a lot - she is totally clueless about how to seriously kill the virus with masks. Pathetic - and this is the Democratic leadership. (the mask might be fashionable - yeah!) Basically what we have is massive stupidity at high levels of govt - both Republicans and Democrats steering this thing. The deaths from their incompetence will be large. Begs the question - why should we trust them with any other issues if they can't even get this right. BTW - Americans seems like the some of the most spoiled, entitled, selfish and stupid people on the planet. There are parts of American culture that I like but the lack of focus on community at times and selflessness is disgusting. At times we must put aside or emotional wants for the greater good. If you might have the virus and spread it and kill people how is that different from murder? Which foreign utopia are you from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 So its not just information for sake of information. The purpose is to reduce spread of infection. And resources needs to be focused on where it matters most. How do we know where it "matters most"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StubbleJumper Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 This is how you crush the virus. Meanwhile, unhinged: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1260177007490600960?s=21 I'm surprised Trump hasn't released the vaccine already. You know he's smart enough to get it done. ;) I thought that he made the bleach announcement a couple of weeks ago? SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Article about Hong Kong, and how a lot of it was bottoms-up and not from the govt: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2020/05/how-hong-kong-beating-coronavirus/611524/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 Pelosi face mask - scarf or whatever she is wearing picture https://thehill.com/homenews/house/497196-house-democrats-press-pelosi-for-automatic-unemployment-insurance-and-food Kind of Amazing that she is wearing a fabric mask. It is better than nothing but not by much. The fact that she is not wearing an N95 or Surgical masks tells you a lot - she is totally clueless about how to seriously kill the virus with masks. Pathetic - and this is the Democratic leadership. (the mask might be fashionable - yeah!) Why should she be wearing an N95 mask when there are shortages for "front line" workers? The general public cannot get N95 masks at the store -- Pelosi is showing us what else we can wear. Trump and Pence wear neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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