Coronavirus

[Castanza]

Excess death data for Spain, Italy, UK, Belgium:

 

 

Also, how crazy is this:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html

 

Hospital data on coronavirus patients will now be rerouted to the Trump administration instead of first being sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed to CNN on Tuesday.

 

The move could make data less transparent to the public at a time when the administration is downplaying the spread of the pandemic, and threatens to undermine public confidence that medical data is being presented free of political interference.

 

What if this administration worked as hard at trying to contain the virus (like how almost every other country has done) instead of trying to contain information and science and play propaganda games?

 

Are there any numbers on beach goers for the past two months? Haven't been able to find any detailed numbers.

 

Might be an unpopular opinion, but the protests certainly aren't helping. An estimated 26 million people have participated.

 

Not advocating for Trump, but what exactly is he supposed to do when the majority of lock down orders and "mandates" come from the state level? I agree with you on the concerns of the suppression of information you listed above.

 

This past month and a half has been quite the catch - 22

 

 

[vinod1]

Excess death data for Spain, Italy, UK, Belgium:

 

 

Also, how crazy is this:

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html

 

Hospital data on coronavirus patients will now be rerouted to the Trump administration instead of first being sent to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Department of Health and Human Services confirmed to CNN on Tuesday.

 

The move could make data less transparent to the public at a time when the administration is downplaying the spread of the pandemic, and threatens to undermine public confidence that medical data is being presented free of political interference.

 

What if this administration worked as hard at trying to contain the virus (like how almost every other country has done) instead of trying to contain information and science and play propaganda games?

 

Are there any numbers on beach goers for the past two months? Haven't been able to find any detailed numbers.

 

Might be an unpopular opinion, but the protests certainly aren't helping. An estimated 26 million people have participated.

 

Not advocating for Trump, but what exactly is he supposed to do when the majority of lock down orders and "mandates" come from the state level? I agree with you on the concerns of the suppression of information you listed above.

 

This past month and a half has been quite the catch - 22

 

Poor Trump, what can he do? It is not like he is in the most powerful position in the world or anything like that.

 

Just a wild, wild guess, on things he could have done:

 

1. Maybe listen to experts. Stop giving retarded medical advice to start. I don't know injecting bleach might not be a good idea?

 

2. Stop politicizing wearing of masks. Ask people to take it seriously. If you want economy to get back to as close to normal as possible, masks are the vaccine we have.

 

3. Get behind increasing testing at a massive scale. 

 

4. Provide a centralized procurement platform for PPE, medical supplies, etc. Make them available to the states.

 

Trump has been passive aggressive on this issue. Sending a consistent message would have helped.

[cwericb]

“what exactly is he supposed to do?”

 

You can’t be serious.

 

Telling states to reopen before they are ready? Remember “Liberate Michigan!”?

Politicizing face masks  “...Americans might wear face masks not as a way to prevent the spread of coronavirus but as a way to signal disapproval of him.”

 

I don’t think that Americans understand how pissed off the rest of the world is at the US.

 

This epidemic is a world epidemic. Allowing the virus to run rampant among 328,000,000 people is a threat to the whole world. Wouldn’t you be pissed off if the people living next to you all had Covid-19 and they just continued to go about their daily business while you bit the bullet and did everything you could to protect yourself and stop the spread?

 

Is there any rational person who doesn’t think Trump’s handling of Covid-19 has been deplorable?

 

Is it not the Presidents responsibility to lead the country and set an example. Yet his approach is to “ignore it and it will just go away”.

 

There is no way Trump gets a free pass on this.

[Guest cherzeca]

 

[vinod1]

“what exactly is he supposed to do?”

 

You can’t be serious.

 

Telling states to reopen before they are ready? Remember “Liberate Michigan!”?

Politicizing face masks  “...Americans might wear face masks not as a way to prevent the spread of coronavirus but as a way to signal disapproval of him.”

 

I don’t think that Americans understand how pissed off the rest of the world is at the US.

 

This epidemic is a world epidemic. Allowing the virus to run rampant among 328,000,000 people is a threat to the whole world. Wouldn’t you be pissed off if the people living next to you all had Covid-19 and they just continued to go about their daily business while you bit the bullet and did everything you could to protect yourself and stop the spread?

 

Is there any rational person who doesn’t think Trump’s handling of Covid-19 has been deplorable?

 

Is it not the Presidents responsibility to lead the country and set an example. Yet his approach is to “ignore it and it will just go away”.

 

There is no way Trump gets a free pass on this.

 

Is there any rational person who doesn’t think Trump’s handling of Covid-19 has been deplorable?

 

There is indeed such a group. The only group that I find more deplorable than pedophiles. Trump supporters.

[beerbaron]

 

I'm not sure what point they are trying to make, how deadly is the virus?

 

Well here are Quebec virus data.

 

	Tests	Positives	Deaths	Recovery
Quebec	706116	56859	5636	99.2%
Texas	2644496	250462	3112	99.88%

 

Goes to show that you can't use a single data point. Furthermore, I've heard for a foreign nurse friend of mine that that in France they only count Covid deaths in hospitals. So IFR would be completely different, maybe similar in Texas.

 

BeerBaron

[Liberty]

Management teams are going to present Q2 like this:

 

[Guest cherzeca]

 

I'm not sure what point they are trying to make, how deadly is the virus?

 

Well here are Quebec virus data.

 

	Tests	Positives	Deaths	Recovery
Quebec	706116	56859	5636	99.2%
Texas	2644496	250462	3112	99.88%

 

Goes to show that you can't use a single data point. Furthermore, I've heard for a foreign nurse friend of mine that that in France they only count Covid deaths in hospitals. So IFR would be completely different, maybe similar in Texas.

 

BeerBaron

 

covid one-third death rate of flu in Texas.  so hard to understand?

[Castanza]

What am I missing? US testing seems to be in line with most other countries?

 

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/testing/international-comparison

 

What am I missing? Deaths per million seem to be relatively inline with other countries (France, Spain and UK are worse)

 

https://covid19.who.int/?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0rr4BRCtARIsAB0_48NQn4dKLIpwMMAMr76usaDJca2kxJ1lrZI0DKyT_HMUVIjKXRzMBdkaAr_3EALw_wcB

 

 

[Ross812]

 

I'm not sure what point they are trying to make, how deadly is the virus?

 

Well here are Quebec virus data.

 

	Tests	Positives	Deaths	Recovery
Quebec	706116	56859	5636	99.2%
Texas	2644496	250462	3112	99.88%

 

Goes to show that you can't use a single data point. Furthermore, I've heard for a foreign nurse friend of mine that that in France they only count Covid deaths in hospitals. So IFR would be completely different, maybe similar in Texas.

 

BeerBaron

 

covid one-third death rate of flu in Texas.  so hard to understand?

 

The magnitude of testing is completely different. % of population tested for flu in 2019 is .6%; % tested for covid is 8.9%. Going by the same logic the flu has a case fatality rate of 32%. All this is saying is 6 months into the pandemic, covid-19 deaths are 1/3rd of full year seasonal flu deaths. Of course cases were not in Texas until March. So it would be more accurate to say Texas is only 4 months into the pandemic. Also this captures deaths from 1/2020 to 7/2020 which is a lagging indicator by about three weeks. Texas started to see a spike on June 15th. There are 3x as many cases today than on June 15th and non of the deaths attributable to the increase in case load is reflected in the number. So really, this is just a bullshit statistic...

[Liberty]

 

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE - Recovery trial results finally out - and hopefully puts nail in coffin. Out of 4700 people randomized... HCQ did NOT lower #covid19 mortality. It anything it was trending in wrong direction. Thread:

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.20151852v1

[KCLarkin]

covid one-third death rate of flu in Texas.  so hard to understand?

 

Seriously, what hot sh** is this? Did you even look at this rubbage before posting? Ignoring that this is fraudulently claiming to be from TXDSHS, the data is bullshit. Please tell me how they calculated "recovery" rates?

 

Using latest data:

Cases reported: 275,058

Recoveries: 142,398

Recoveries/cases = 57% (my calculation)

 

Please save your alternative facts and propaganda for your gullible Facebook friends.

 

 

[beerbaron]

 

I'm not sure what point they are trying to make, how deadly is the virus?

 

Well here are Quebec virus data.

 

	Tests	Positives	Deaths	Recovery
Quebec	706116	56859	5636	90.0%
Texas	2644496	250462	3112	99.88%

 

Goes to show that you can't use a single data point. Furthermore, I've heard for a foreign nurse friend of mine that that in France they only count Covid deaths in hospitals. So IFR would be completely different, maybe similar in Texas.

 

BeerBaron

 

covid one-third death rate of flu in Texas.  so hard to understand?

 

The magnitude of testing is completely different. % of population tested for flu in 2019 is .6%; % tested for covid is 8.9%. Going by the same logic the flu has a case fatality rate of 32%. All this is saying is 6 months into the pandemic, covid-19 deaths are 1/3rd of full year seasonal flu deaths. Of course cases were not in Texas until March. So it would be more accurate to say Texas is only 4 months into the pandemic. Also this captures deaths from 1/2020 to 7/2020 which is a lagging indicator by about three weeks. Texas started to see a spike on June 15th. There are 3x as many cases today than on June 15th and non of the deaths attributable to the increase in case load is reflected in the number. So really, this is just a bullshit statistic...

 

Good point, if the deaths are lagging positive by 3-4 weeks the statistic is useless. Had it been stable it could have been used.

 

Corrected Quebec survival rate it's not 99% but 90%! They have had huge issues with nursing homes but still many orders of

magnitude VS Texas.

 

BeerBaron

[Ross812]

covid one-third death rate of flu in Texas.  so hard to understand?

 

Seriously, what hot sh** is this? Did you even look at this rubbage before posting? Ignoring that this is fraudulently claiming to be from TXDSHS, the data is bullshit. Please tell me how they calculated "recovery" rates?

 

Using latest data:

Cases reported: 275,058

Recoveries: 142,398

Recoveries/cases = 57% (my calculation)

 

Please save your alternative facts and propaganda for your gullible Facebook friends.

 

Calculated: 1 - Deaths/Texas Population = 1 - 3100/29.6M  = bullshit

[rb]

For some reason it's really, really important to some people that this be just like the flu. Ever hear of a recent flu season that overwhelmed hospitals? I was in London during H1N1 and it didn't even come close. Meanwhile the only systems that held this time around was... Sweden. With honorable mentions to Austria and Germany. Especially Germany which behaved admirably during the crisis.

 

Meanwhile Houston is starting to look shaky. And Houston apparently has the largest hospital system in the country. I did not know that.

 

All of this from a little flu, or even less then.  ::)

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/all-hospitals-are-full-houston-overwhelmed-icus-leave-covid-19-n1233430

 

 

[Investor20]

“what exactly is he supposed to do?”

 

You can’t be serious.

 

Telling states to reopen before they are ready? Remember “Liberate Michigan!”?

Politicizing face masks  “...Americans might wear face masks not as a way to prevent the spread of coronavirus but as a way to signal disapproval of him.”

 

I don’t think that Americans understand how pissed off the rest of the world is at the US.

 

This epidemic is a world epidemic. Allowing the virus to run rampant among 328,000,000 people is a threat to the whole world. Wouldn’t you be pissed off if the people living next to you all had Covid-19 and they just continued to go about their daily business while you bit the bullet and did everything you could to protect yourself and stop the spread?

 

Is there any rational person who doesn’t think Trump’s handling of Covid-19 has been deplorable?

 

Is it not the Presidents responsibility to lead the country and set an example. Yet his approach is to “ignore it and it will just go away”.

 

There is no way Trump gets a free pass on this.

 

Is there any rational person who doesn’t think Trump’s handling of Covid-19 has been deplorable?

 

There is indeed such a group. The only group that I find more deplorable than pedophiles. Trump supporters.

 

Apologize and delete immediately

[Investor20]

 

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE - Recovery trial results finally out - and hopefully puts nail in coffin. Out of 4700 people randomized... HCQ did NOT lower #covid19 mortality. It anything it was trending in wrong direction. Thread:

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.20151852v1

 

The mortality rate is high of about 25%. 

The number of days since symptom onset 9 days before medicine administration

On oxygen or ventilation at baseline: 67%

 

Many doctors who use Hydroxychloroquine say 1) It works better with Zinc, and optionally Azithromycin. 2) Works when given early but not when given later when symptoms of pneumonia have started. 

 

For example Dr. Harvey Risch from Yale says:

I think that there has been confusion about treating the cold versus treating the pneumonia. These medications don’t seem to work so well for treating the pneumonia. As early as possible is crucial, within the first five to six days of symptoms.

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/25085/

[rb]

"Many doctors" is the pandemic version of "People are saying". Most doctors say it doesn't do shit.

[Liberty]

 

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE - Recovery trial results finally out - and hopefully puts nail in coffin. Out of 4700 people randomized... HCQ did NOT lower #covid19 mortality. It anything it was trending in wrong direction. Thread:

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.20151852v1

 

The mortality rate is high of about 25%. 

The number of days since symptom onset 9 days before medicine administration

On oxygen or ventilation at baseline: 67%

 

Many doctors who use Hydroxychloroquine say 1) It works better with Zinc, and optionally Azithromycin. 2) Works when given early but not when given later when symptoms of pneumonia have started. 

 

For example Dr. Harvey Risch from Yale says:

I think that there has been confusion about treating the cold versus treating the pneumonia. These medications don’t seem to work so well for treating the pneumonia. As early as possible is crucial, within the first five to six days of symptoms.

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/25085/

 

While I've got you here, what's your take on nuclear fusion? You a fan of tokamak reactors?

[Investor20]

Why doesnt WHO just test what doctors on field say they think is working with Hydroxychloroquine?

 

An example is Dr. George Fareed, Harvard educated, worked at both Harvard and UCLA before starting private practice who says:

 

I am not only an “MD,” but a former Harvard Medical School assistant professor and UCLA School of Medicine associate professor as well and am very competent at evaluating studies. There is ample evidence now that the HCQ cocktail is effective and there is no good evidence that there are significant side effects.

...........

In my attempts to keep people alive, I have had an opportunity to use many different types of treatments — remdesivir, dexamethasone, convalescent plasma replacement, etc. Yet, by far the best tool beyond supportive care with oxygen has been the combination of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), with either azithromycin or doxycycline, and zinc. This "HCQ cocktail" (that costs less than $100) has enabled me to prevent patients from being admitted to the hospital, as well as help those patients that are hospitalized. The key is giving the HCQ cocktail early, within the first five days of the disease.

 

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/local-doctor-pushing-proven-treatment-of-covid-into-national-debate/article_ca59497a-c539-11ea-8943-4f707d6ebc1a.html

 

Yet this recovery trial does exactly opposite.  It has high dose of HCQ on patients already on oxygen after 9 days of symptoms onset without Zinc or Azithromycin. Why?

[Investor20]

 

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE - Recovery trial results finally out - and hopefully puts nail in coffin. Out of 4700 people randomized... HCQ did NOT lower #covid19 mortality. It anything it was trending in wrong direction. Thread:

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.20151852v1

 

The mortality rate is high of about 25%. 

The number of days since symptom onset 9 days before medicine administration

On oxygen or ventilation at baseline: 67%

 

Many doctors who use Hydroxychloroquine say 1) It works better with Zinc, and optionally Azithromycin. 2) Works when given early but not when given later when symptoms of pneumonia have started. 

 

For example Dr. Harvey Risch from Yale says:

I think that there has been confusion about treating the cold versus treating the pneumonia. These medications don’t seem to work so well for treating the pneumonia. As early as possible is crucial, within the first five to six days of symptoms.

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/25085/

 

While I've got you here, what's your take on nuclear fusion? You a fan of tokamak reactors?

 

I am not sure about your sarcasm.  This is serious business.

One can always prove by giving a medicine to wrong population and wrong dose that it doesnt work.  Many doctors who use HCQ say it has to be used early and with Zinc/Azithromycin.  They did exactly opposite of it. Why? Do you have explanation?

 

Generally antivirals dont work well after the virus has spread through the body.  Its not just for HCQ.  Read about late diagonized HIV and see if there are medicines that get rid of HIV virus after it has spread.

 

Saying an antiviral doesnt work after the virus has spread is dumb.

[rb]

Umm.... HCQ isn't an anti-viral. It's an immunosuppressant.

 

I wonder why the whole medical community doesn't drop everything its doing because some dude with a family practice in the desert that provides basic said something. He's apparently treated thousands of COVID patients in a in a country with 268 hospital beds and and 28 ICU beds.

 

Honestly the French HCQ quack was much better! Did you just type in google "Doctor HCQ good"?

[Investor20]

Umm.... HCQ isn't an anti-viral. It's an immunosuppressant.

 

I wonder why the whole medical community doesn't drop everything its doing because some dude with a family practice in the desert that provides basic said something. He's apparently treated thousands of COVID patients in a in a country with 268 hospital beds and and 28 ICU beds.

 

Honestly the French HCQ quack was much better! Did you just type in google "Doctor HCQ good"?

There are many more dudes. Two more dudes for example, NYU Grossman, Henry Ford

 

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2020/05/12/nyu-study-looks-at-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-azithromycin-combo-on-decreasing-covid-19-deaths

Researchers at NYU's Grossman School of Medicine found patients given the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine along with zinc sulphate and the antibiotic azithromycin were 44 percent less likely to die from the coronavirus.

 

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/hydro-treatment-study

We attribute our findings that differ from other studies to early treatment,

 

It has antiviral properties, and also Zinc has antiviral properties

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300881

In vitro, chloroquine appears as a versatile bioactive agent reported to possess antiviral activity against RNA viruses as diverse as rabies virus [16], poliovirus [17], HIV [12,[18], [19], [20], hepatitis A virus [21,22], hepatitis C virus [23], influenza A and B viruses [24], [25], [26], [27], influenza A H5N1 virus [28], Chikungunya virus [29], [30], [31], Dengue virus [32,33], Zika virus [34], Lassa virus [35], Hendra and Nipah viruses [36,37], Crimean–Congo hemorrhagic fever virus [38] and Ebola virus [39], as well as various DNA viruses such as hepatitis B virus [40] and herpes simplex virus [41].The antiviral properties of chloroquine described in vitro have sometimes been confirmed during treatment of virus-infected patients but have not always been reproduced in clinical trials depending on the disease, the concentration of chloroquine used, the duration of treatment and the clinical team in charge of the trial.

 

Its not just the studies.  You are supposed to give antivirals early in infection.  Not after the virus has spread.

[rb]

Alright dude, keep dreaming about HCQ. I can't stop you.

[cwericb]

“what exactly is he supposed to do?”

 

You can’t be serious.

 

Telling states to reopen before they are ready? Remember “Liberate Michigan!”?

Politicizing face masks  “...Americans might wear face masks not as a way to prevent the spread of coronavirus but as a way to signal disapproval of him.”

 

I don’t think that Americans understand how pissed off the rest of the world is at the US.

 

This epidemic is a world epidemic. Allowing the virus to run rampant among 328,000,000 people is a threat to the whole world. Wouldn’t you be pissed off if the people living next to you all had Covid-19 and they just continued to go about their daily business while you bit the bullet and did everything you could to protect yourself and stop the spread?

 

Is there any rational person who doesn’t think Trump’s handling of Covid-19 has been deplorable?

 

Is it not the Presidents responsibility to lead the country and set an example? Yet his approach is to “ignore it and it will just go away”.

 

There is no way Trump gets a free pass on this.

 

Is there any rational person who doesn’t think Trump’s handling of Covid-19 has been deplorable?

 

There is indeed such a group. The only group that I find more deplorable than pedophiles. Trump supporters.

 

Apologize and delete immediately

 

While Vinod1's reply might be a little extreme Investor 20, I note that you avoided the question.