Gregmal Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Interesting is that we have no problem accepting rolling out mail in voting ballots. You get a slip in the mail, bring it to your local polling station, cast your vote, and get your sticker. Meanwhile, for a vaccine, which should be the same exact process; IE here's your vaccine slip, bring it to the said location, exchange it for a shot and a stimulus check voucher....Nah, direct everyone to the outdated government websites that crash and lock people out when volume spikes 30% or more...then wonder why no one is getting vaccinated and places are throwing out vials because of the mishandling and lack of timely administration...total fucking idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 https://trialsitenews.com/an-unlikely-nation-is-kicking-this-pandemic-guess-which-then-why/ An Unlikely Nation Is Kicking This Pandemic. Guess Which. Then Why. I saw the stats for India and wondered why they were such an outlier (in a good way). The article suggests there could be very good news coming on the treatment front (separate from the vaccine front). Encouraging as it allows us to tackle the virus on multiple fronts. Still so much we do not understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Lots of stuff on state of COVID19 here: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/i6doyTk6kHkGyKybq/covid-1-7-the-fire-of-a-thousand-suns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattee2264 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Great read Liberty. Informative and also quite entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Great read Liberty. Informative and also quite entertaining. Glad you found it useful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/andrew-cuomo-economy-reopen-coronavirus Who would have thought? Perhaps conspiracy theorists? Despite repeated cries from Fuuci about the worst being ahead of us....Cuomo is now looking to open NYC...does anyone know what changed in the past couple months? In related news, Chicago has also decided to suddenly re-open schools. Bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 That is surprising considering excess deaths seem to be rising in NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattee2264 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Maybe he needs material for his next book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/andrew-cuomo-economy-reopen-coronavirus Who would have thought? Perhaps conspiracy theorists? Despite repeated cries from Fuuci about the worst being ahead of us....Cuomo is now looking to open NYC...does anyone know what changed in the past couple months? In related news, Chicago has also decided to suddenly re-open schools. Bizarre. There is a lot of evidence that opening the schools with precautions and social distancing protocols don’t cause much virus transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigarbutt Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 ^NY and IL have entered the vicinity of functional herd immunity with vaccines coming. In NYC, positivity rates have levelled and are recently trending down (but still high). IL and the Chicago area had a huge second wave that peaked in late November and early December and all numbers (cases, positivity, hospitalizations and deaths) are significantly trending down. In my jurisdiction (CDN province), it appears that only a small minority (less than 1-3%?) of vaccines are given to people not belonging to pre-defined priority groups. In my jurisdiction (like elsewhere including the US), there is a clear movement to move away from the pre-defined two-doses regimen in order to postpone the second dose with the goal to reach an optimal number of people with the first dose. This outcome has been the result of constructive discussions between people sitting in offices and people on the ground with some kind of expertise. There is some uneasiness with this adapted strategy because the vaccine studies were devised with a fixed schedule. However, at the group level, this is likely to help reach herd immunity faster. Looking at the groups at risk in the next few weeks (similar to a threshold analysis in a bankruptcy according to priority rules), the sub-groups most likely to benefit will be the 60-69 and 70-79 living in the community. These two groups compose lower proportions of people reaching hospitals, ICUs and the morgue but numbers are still significant and this group is clearly at risk for quality-life years lost. At the individual level, postponing the second dose has positive and negative aspects. The negative aspects include that this adapted protocol was not studied and means that there will be less protection in between doses. The positive aspects include that efficacy reaches about 90% with the first dose at day 14 to 15 with the mRNA vaccines, immunity has been shown not to decline significantly for a few months and, from previous vaccine knowledge, a delayed second dose may very well result in a stronger 'boost' (longer lasting immunity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investor20 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-coronavirus-deaths-30000-deadliest-weekend/ California sees 10,000 coronavirus deaths in just one month after record surge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigarbutt Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-coronavirus-deaths-30000-deadliest-weekend/ California sees 10,000 coronavirus deaths in just one month after record surge "Happy states are all alike; every unhappy state is unhappy in its own way" (slightly modified Anna Karenina principle) https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Here is an update on J&J. We need a few more manufacturers to be successful/approved. Johnson & Johnson confident of March rollout for its COVID-19 vaccine, still aims for 1 billion doses in 2021 - https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/international-business/us-business/article-johnson-johnson-confident-of-march-rollout-for-its-covid-19-vaccine/ Johnson & Johnson is on track to roll out its single-shot coronavirus vaccine in March, and plans to have clear data on how effective it is by the end of this month or early February, the U.S. healthcare company’s chief science officer said. Dr. Paul Stoffels in an interview on Tuesday also said J&J expects to meet its stated target of delivering 1 billion doses of its vaccine by the end of this year as the company ramps up production. The New York Times reported earlier on Wednesday that J&J was experiencing manufacturing delays that would reduce the number of doses initially available. Stoffels declined to say how many doses would be ready to go into people’s arms in March, presuming it receives emergency authorization from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. “We are aiming for 1 billion doses in 2021. If it is a single dose, that means 1 billion people. But it will be in a ramp-up throughout the year,” Stoffels said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orthopa Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/andrew-cuomo-economy-reopen-coronavirus Who would have thought? Perhaps conspiracy theorists? Despite repeated cries from Fuuci about the worst being ahead of us....Cuomo is now looking to open NYC...does anyone know what changed in the past couple months? In related news, Chicago has also decided to suddenly re-open schools. Bizarre. I think its 100% a coincidence that Cuomo wants to open up now a week before Biden is inaugurated. 6 weeks ago there were signs flashing all over the I-90 to be smart and not get together with family because of an apocalypse that would ensue. 6 weeks later......Time to open up. Makes perfect sense if you think about it really, really, really hard lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattee2264 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 My guess is that Biden does not want to be accused of supporting lockdowns so is telling his Democrat governors to ease up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 The reality is that they need to kickstart the rebound so Biden can not only get credit for curing covid and cancer, but also saving the economy. Especially those of deep blue states. Notice how the news outlets are already declaring it "Biden's $2,000 stimulus checks"? Odd, because unless I am mistaken, one guy called for $2,000 checks, and it wasnt Joe, it wasnt Nancy, and it definitely wasnt Mitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattee2264 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Yup too busy putting as much pork to dilute Trump's deal as possible so that he could claim is Covid relief deal was the one that made the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StubbleJumper Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-coronavirus-deaths-30000-deadliest-weekend/ California sees 10,000 coronavirus deaths in just one month after record surge "Happy states are all alike; every unhappy state is unhappy in its own way" (slightly modified Anna Karenina principle) https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ It's amazing how quickly things change with covid. The state that was ridiculed in this forum 6 weeks ago, South Dakota, has already vaccinated nearly 6 percent of its population. If you believe that the over-65 year-old sub-group is the principal threat to the integrity of health service delivery, South Dakota is roughly one-third of the way to getting that high risk group vaccinated and have a real prospect of easing pressure on their hospitals. Other states are very much lagging behind. If you would have asked me in November which states would be leading in the vaccination process and which would be lagging, I don't think that I would have guessed that the Dakotas would be among the best. SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigarbutt Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 ... It's amazing how quickly things change with covid. The state that was ridiculed in this forum 6 weeks ago, South Dakota, has already vaccinated nearly 6 percent of its population. If you believe that the over-65 year-old sub-group is the principal threat to the integrity of health service delivery, South Dakota is roughly one-third of the way to getting that high risk group vaccinated and have a real prospect of easing pressure on their hospitals. Other states are very much lagging behind. If you would have asked me in November which states would be leading in the vaccination process and which would be lagging, I don't think that I would have guessed that the Dakotas would be among the best. SJ Let's forget about sunk costs (argumentative and otherwise?). How can we learn from the Dakotas? It seems they are focusing on healthcare workers first, with a slight adaptation from the 'national' guidelines. One could argue for or against that modification but it appears that frontline workers have been going through a rough (mostly bipartisan) patch (especially in the Dakotas). i see that the protocol in North Dakota includes to vaccinate people who, themselves, vaccinate others (again another area to argue). i assume you are from Ontario. As you know the neighboring other-solitude province has been reporting terribly high numbers (cases, hospital capacity, deaths etc). Well, despite this previously sunken past, it looks like the vaccine rollout is evolving relatively well: https://covid19tracker.ca/vaccinationtracker.html Word has it (as of 2 days ago) that, in my province, 50% of elderly people living in the most at-risk homes (the "CHSLDs") have received their first doses as well as 25% of relevant frontline healthcare personnel. (irrelevant addition: i'm periodically giving a lending hand to push the plunger but will wait my turn according to national guidelines) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattee2264 Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Yeah it seems pretty obvious you do the healthcare workers first, then the people in managed care facilities (you can just roll up with a ton of vaccines and knock them all out in a day) and then move on to outreach to knock off the age demographics. If you do it by age then you avoid most of the prioritization issues and you can make it first come first served. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephistopheles Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9148933/Cuomo-allows-indoor-dining-state-apart-NYC.html Cuomo opens up indoor dining all over NY again, except NYC, even though NYC has the second lowest positive rate in the entire state. His reason is NYC is too densely populated. What a POS. He destroyed a majority of restaurants and bars in NYC but the job isn't finished until he kills 100% of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/15/trump-vaccine-reserve-used-up/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muscleman Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 massive lockdowns in China. One guy just eat his pet because he wasn't allowed to go out to get food for four days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Four days? I don't think I'd eat my cat after four days, I like her too much. Where did this anecdote come from? massive lockdowns in China. One guy just eat his pet because he wasn't allowed to go out to get food for four days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Four days? I don't think I'd eat my cat after four days, I like her too much. Where did this anecdote come from? massive lockdowns in China. One guy just eat his pet because he wasn't allowed to go out to get food for four days. It wasn't four days. And the guy's name was Jack Ma. ::) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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