Dalal.Holdings Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Trump is a passing phase, he has at most 4 more years left. Shouldn’t let the hate for Trump cloud the big picture. A substantial pivot to China/Comunist Party might result in today’s equivalent of the Soviet Union winning the Cold War. Would the world really be a better place? Many politician are falling in line. Time to 学中文？ Who cares if Cuomo thanks China for sending 1,000 vents? U.S. isn't going to become communist by saying "thank you" when someone helps us during dire times. NY governor had to go to China to get around scum Kushner. That's the key fact to note here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Nice to see Loser Joe Biden formally reversed his position on the China travel ban today: Joe Biden ✔ @JoeBiden We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency. 13K 5:01 PM - Feb 1, 2020 But now, 2 months later - senile old Joe is ok with it. Joe must have talked to De Blasio - hero of NYC https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/joe-biden-trump-china-coronavirus/index.html Biden campaign says he backs Trump's China travel ban Biden for President! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I in no way am defending the government of Cuba. But punishing the PEOPLE of Cuba with the U.S. blockade is A) inhumane and B) forces Cuba to rely on China and Russia for their needs - what choice do they have? After 60 years shouldn't it have ocured to someone that it is has not worked? More deflection from you. Who is ULTIMATELY responsible for the welfare of the Cuban paradise? The USA or the Communist regime? I hear North Korea has free health care and free education. But the real bonus for you Cwericb - NO reported cases of CV How do you write "more deflection from you" and then start talking about North Korea in the very same post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I think Trump really screwed 3M and a whole bunch of American companies with that dumb stunt of his on the masks. 3M CEO: It’s part of our strategy, we have excess capacity to bring online. This COVID fight is like nothing we’ve seen, the demand is so much greater so we’re trying to do everything we can to bring capacity in the U.S. while we still serve Canada and Latin America where we are often the sole supplier. Ontario Premier: Our manufacturing, we're gearing up and when those assemblies start, we’re aren’t going to stop them. Why do I get the feeling that 3M mask market share is about to take a dive in Canada through no fault of their own? How much you want to bet that this same conversation is happening in many other industrialized countries around the world? How much do you want to be the conversations aren't just about 3M masks but encompass a whole range of products made by American companies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwy000 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Nice to see Loser Joe Biden formally reversed his position on the China travel ban today: Joe Biden ✔ @JoeBiden We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency. 13K 5:01 PM - Feb 1, 2020 But now, 2 months later - senile old Joe is ok with it. Joe must have talked to De Blasio - hero of NYC https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/joe-biden-trump-china-coronavirus/index.html Biden campaign says he backs Trump's China travel ban Biden for President! The first quote has no reference whatsoever to a travel ban. How is the 2nd quote in any way reversing the first quote. The first quote continues to stand in it's own quite nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalal.Holdings Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Nice to see Loser Joe Biden formally reversed his position on the China travel ban today: Joe Biden ✔ @JoeBiden We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency. 13K 5:01 PM - Feb 1, 2020 But now, 2 months later - senile old Joe is ok with it. Joe must have talked to De Blasio - hero of NYC https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/joe-biden-trump-china-coronavirus/index.html Biden campaign says he backs Trump's China travel ban Biden for President! The first quote has no reference whatsoever to a travel ban. How is the 2nd quote in any way reversing the first quote. The first quote continues to stand in it's own quite nicely. Because deflection is the name of the game--her e-mails, Benghazi, etc. Except much more comical this time around when trying to excuse Trump's glaring shortcomings in responding to a real world pandemic. Trump apologist brigade upset about perceived criticism from "opposition party" about the China travel ban, but don't acknowledge that the "opposition party" effectively wrote DJT a $2 Trillion stimulus check in an election year. Largest stimulus ever. How would Mitch McConnell have treated Obama if the tables were reversed and a pandemic happened in early 2012? I think I know: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president," -McConnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orthopa Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 https://www.lastampa.it/topnews/primo-piano/2020/04/02/news/coronavirus-castiglione-d-adda-e-un-caso-di-studio-il-70-dei-donatori-di-sangue-e-positivo-1.38666481 Very small case study but will be interesting to see what the US looks like when antibody testing gets going in mass. Castiglione d'Adda is a case study: "70% of blood donors are positive" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samwise Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 I think Trump really screwed 3M and a whole bunch of American companies with that dumb stunt of his on the masks. 3M CEO: It’s part of our strategy, we have excess capacity to bring online. This COVID fight is like nothing we’ve seen, the demand is so much greater so we’re trying to do everything we can to bring capacity in the U.S. while we still serve Canada and Latin America where we are often the sole supplier. Ontario Premier: Our manufacturing, we're gearing up and when those assemblies start, we’re aren’t going to stop them. Why do I get the feeling that 3M mask market share is about to take a dive in Canada through no fault of their own? How much you want to bet that this same conversation is happening in many other industrialized countries around the world? How much do you want to be the conversations aren't just about 3M masks but encompass a whole range of products made by American companies? +1 Fair weather friends are not friends at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samwise Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Dear Mr. Trump. You can keep your masks. We have just sent Air Canada to China to pick up a few million of them. While we will not forget, we do have enough class class to continue to provide you with the materials to make those precious masks that you stole from us. We will not shut the power off to Boston and New York, nor will we prevent the 3,000 Canadian nurses who cross the border daily to staff Detroit’s hospitals. And the next time you have a 911, we will still allow your planes to land here and take in your people. But it is nice to know who your true friends are in times of need. China true friend of Canada? You send them the money and they send you the goods. What does the USA do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcliu Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Trump is a passing phase, he has at most 4 more years left. Shouldn’t let the hate for Trump cloud the big picture. A substantial pivot to China/Comunist Party might result in today’s equivalent of the Soviet Union winning the Cold War. Would the world really be a better place? Many politician are falling in line. Time to 学中文？ Who cares if Cuomo thanks China for sending 1,000 vents? U.S. isn't going to become communist by saying "thank you" when someone helps us during dire times. NY governor had to go to China to get around scum Kushner. That's the key fact to note here. One step at a time. Isolate America, take away allies. Divide America, exploit partisanship. Conquer America, elect friendlies to leadership. Same playbook in Canada/Australia and globally. https://unwatch.org/china-joins-u-n-human-rights-panel-will-help-pick-experts-on-free-speech-health-arbitrary-detention/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Nice to see Loser Joe Biden formally reversed his position on the China travel ban today: Joe Biden ✔ @JoeBiden We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency. 13K 5:01 PM - Feb 1, 2020 But now, 2 months later - senile old Joe is ok with it. Joe must have talked to De Blasio - hero of NYC https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/joe-biden-trump-china-coronavirus/index.html Biden campaign says he backs Trump's China travel ban Biden for President! The first quote has no reference whatsoever to a travel ban. How is the 2nd quote in any way reversing the first quote. The first quote continues to stand in it's own quite nicely. Yes, of course , that is a lie and you know it. Directly after the China Travel Ban was issued - senile old Joe responded very predictably with his "Trump is a racist" attack: Joe Biden ✔ @JoeBiden We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency. 13K 5:01 PM - Feb 1, 2020 Deny it all you like - his twitter is his twitter. Now Biden learned well from De Blasio, who has been humiliated for keeping life in NYC "completely normal - no changes needed" - until well into March. De Blasio, of course accused Trump of being a Xenophobe and Racist. Well learned, tried and true Democratic tactics. What a disaster for your heroes. Sorry to disappoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minten Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html Exponential trend continues alarmingly in many countries: U.S., Spain, France, UK, German. Italy *might* be seeing a slope decline/flattening. We must have a different definition of "exponential" I guess Spain: new cases per day: stable number since March 24th Germany: new cases per day: stable number since March 26th Italy: new cases per day are clearly going down now. also, today for the 1st day Italian IC's were less full than they were the day before. US still exponentially going up, I'll give you that. But obviously European semi-lockdowns are working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Dear Mr. Trump. You can keep your masks. We have just sent Air Canada to China to pick up a few million of them. While we will not forget, we do have enough class class to continue to provide you with the materials to make those precious masks that you stole from us. But it is nice to know who your true friends are in times of need. While you are there - make sure you thank President Xi for the destruction they bequeathed to your beloved Canada. After all, what are your "true friends" for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalal.Holdings Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Trump is a passing phase, he has at most 4 more years left. Shouldn’t let the hate for Trump cloud the big picture. A substantial pivot to China/Comunist Party might result in today’s equivalent of the Soviet Union winning the Cold War. Would the world really be a better place? Many politician are falling in line. Time to 学中文？ Who cares if Cuomo thanks China for sending 1,000 vents? U.S. isn't going to become communist by saying "thank you" when someone helps us during dire times. NY governor had to go to China to get around scum Kushner. That's the key fact to note here. One step at a time. Isolate America, take away allies. Divide America, exploit partisanship. Conquer America, elect friendlies to leadership. Same playbook in Canada/Australia and globally. https://unwatch.org/china-joins-u-n-human-rights-panel-will-help-pick-experts-on-free-speech-health-arbitrary-detention/ And who is "isolating America" and "taking away allies" more--China, or the guy telling 3M not to send masks to U.S. allies? The guy who likes trade wars? The guy who gets along better w Putin than the leaders of European nations/Canada/NATO? Your strategies to undermine America are more consistent with the propaganda war that's been waged by Russia against the U.S. (to elect Trump, well documented by intel agencies) as opposed to China. Divide America and isolate it indeed. Mission accomplished--for Putin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Yeah, don't forget - Russia is the REAL enemy here - NOT China - "they didn't do anything" What a laugh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalal.Holdings Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Yeah, don't forget - Russia is the REAL enemy here - NOT China - "they didn't do anything" What a laugh! LOL! Putin is our friend! He is sending us high quality N95 masks. Just wait! They are fully reliable and filter out tiny particles do not worry. And he's going to cut oil output like he says! Us GOP members used to hate Russia, but now we love them since they helped Donnie become pres! A total 180! I do not trust China as much as European allies/Canada--true allies to the U.S., but like it or not China is largest trading partner with U.S. and during a crisis like this, relying on their help works better than insulting them ("China Virus"). Once this crisis is settled, we can go back to fighting for fair trade/patent protection (which China is a repeat violator of). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Dear Mr. Trump. You can keep your masks. We have just sent Air Canada to China to pick up a few million of them. While we will not forget, we do have enough class class to continue to provide you with the materials to make those precious masks that you stole from us. But it is nice to know who your true friends are in times of need. While you are there - make sure you thank President Xi for the destruction they bequeathed to your beloved Canada. After all, what are your "true friends" for? Dude, are you for real? Do you think Xi packaged doses of the corona virus and FedExed them to Canada? Trump PERSONALLY said Fuck Canada. The speed at which your president is destroying goodwill and profits of american companies is astounding. Look at my previous post. That Ontario Premier that's talking about excluding American companies out of medical supply chains is not some Liberal yuppie. He's a Conservative loud mouth mini-Trump, who previously wouldn't miss an opportunity to suck up to the Americans and kiss Trump's ass. Now think what other leaders with different predilections are thinking/planning/doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Dude, are you for real? Do you think Xi packaged doses of the corona virus and FedExed them to Canada? Trump PERSONALLY said Fuck Canada. Now I KNOW you are a really smart guy Rb. You really want to give Xi and China a PASS on this one? Seriously. You KNOW Xi knew exactly what was happening. Did he stop sending THOUSANDS of people into Toronto, Vancouver, etc? Maybe next to WWII and WWI - this is one of the greatest disasters of the last 100 years - and you are going to defend these guys. I KNOW you are smart Rb - but are you for real?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcliu Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Trump is a passing phase, he has at most 4 more years left. Shouldn’t let the hate for Trump cloud the big picture. A substantial pivot to China/Comunist Party might result in today’s equivalent of the Soviet Union winning the Cold War. Would the world really be a better place? Many politician are falling in line. Time to 学中文？ Who cares if Cuomo thanks China for sending 1,000 vents? U.S. isn't going to become communist by saying "thank you" when someone helps us during dire times. NY governor had to go to China to get around scum Kushner. That's the key fact to note here. One step at a time. Isolate America, take away allies. Divide America, exploit partisanship. Conquer America, elect friendlies to leadership. Same playbook in Canada/Australia and globally. https://unwatch.org/china-joins-u-n-human-rights-panel-will-help-pick-experts-on-free-speech-health-arbitrary-detention/ And who is "isolating America" and "taking away allies" more--China, or the guy telling 3M not to send masks to U.S. allies? The guy who likes trade wars? The guy who gets along better w Putin than the leaders of European nations/Canada/NATO? Your strategies to undermine America are more consistent with the propaganda war that's been waged by Russia against the U.S. (to elect Trump, well documented by intel agencies) as opposed to China. Divide America and isolate it indeed. Mission accomplished--for Putin. Yeah I agree with you on this point, Trump is pushing away allies when he should be aligning with them. China is making in roads. To be fair, Western political elites (on both side of spectrum) have done a poor job last 30 years. If they did a good job, Trump would never had a chance. Canada, Italy, Spain, maybe certain Eastern European countries, Czech all have opportunity to fall into Chinese influence. This is a long game, goes way beyond Trump. A 50 year game, we’re in year 30. Many authoritative states have already fallen in line. This is a huge opportunity for China to wedge between alliances into a global superpower/new world order. It’ll be kind of interesting to see what happens; sort of like an alternative reality of Soviet Union (but slightly less socialist but equally authoritative Chinese version) winning Cold War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Trump is a passing phase, he has at most 4 more years left. Shouldn’t let the hate for Trump cloud the big picture. A substantial pivot to China/Comunist Party might result in today’s equivalent of the Soviet Union winning the Cold War. Would the world really be a better place? Many politician are falling in line. Time to 学中文？ Who cares if Cuomo thanks China for sending 1,000 vents? U.S. isn't going to become communist by saying "thank you" when someone helps us during dire times. NY governor had to go to China to get around scum Kushner. That's the key fact to note here. One step at a time. Isolate America, take away allies. Divide America, exploit partisanship. Conquer America, elect friendlies to leadership. Same playbook in Canada/Australia and globally. https://unwatch.org/china-joins-u-n-human-rights-panel-will-help-pick-experts-on-free-speech-health-arbitrary-detention/ And who is "isolating America" and "taking away allies" more--China, or the guy telling 3M not to send masks to U.S. allies? The guy who likes trade wars? The guy who gets along better w Putin than the leaders of European nations/Canada/NATO? Your strategies to undermine America are more consistent with the propaganda war that's been waged by Russia against the U.S. (to elect Trump, well documented by intel agencies) as opposed to China. Divide America and isolate it indeed. Mission accomplished--for Putin. Yeah I agree with you on this point, Trump is pushing away allies when he should be aligning with them. China is making in roads. To be fair, Western political elites (on both side of spectrum) have done a poor job last 30 years. If they did a good job, Trump would never had a chance. Canada, Italy, Spain, maybe certain Eastern European countries, Czech all have opportunity to fall into Chinese influence. This is a long game, goes way beyond Trump. A 50 year game, we’re in year 30. Many authoritative states have already fallen in line. This is a huge opportunity for China to wedge between alliances into a global superpower/new world order. It’ll be kind of interesting to see what happens; sort of like an alternative reality of Soviet Union (but slightly less socialist but equally authoritative Chinese version) winning Cold War. US politicians (on both sides) have been selling us out to China for 2 decades now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Dude, are you for real? Do you think Xi packaged doses of the corona virus and FedExed them to Canada? Trump PERSONALLY said Fuck Canada. Now I KNOW you are a really smart guy Rb. You really want to give Xi and China a PASS on this one? Seriously. You KNOW Xi knew exactly what was happening. Did he stop sending THOUSANDS of people into Toronto, Vancouver, etc? Maybe next to WWII and WWI - this is one of the greatest disasters of the last 100 years - and you are going to defend these guys. I KNOW you are smart Rb - but are you for real?? Yeah, I'm for real. I'm no fan of China either. But your point is ridiculous. Yea China fucked up their initial response. But if I were to go down your rabbit hole. So did the US and they knew more. They've also sent thousands of people all over Canada. So did other countries: Italy, Germany, Switzerland, etc. I'm sure Canada also sent human Coronavirus care packages via airline airfreight to a bunch of countries as well. You just wanna focus on your obsession and ignored the whose facts and substance piece of my post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 US politicians (on both sides) have been selling us out to China for 2 decades now. Well there you go - this man is SPOT ON - this has been a bipartisan effort. The jig is up for China, as Americans will DEMAND a recalibration of this relationship. And I imagine, that feeling will ripple around the world as the damage to the world is quantified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalal.Holdings Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 More isolation from long time allies: https://www.npr.org/2020/04/04/827321294/german-french-officials-accuse-u-s-of-diverting-supplies Earlier this week, officials in both Germany and France accused the U.S. of diverting medical supplies meant for their respective countries by outbidding the original buyers. On Friday, officials in Berlin alleged that the U.S. intercepted a shipment of medical equipment in Thailand from American medical supply company 3M and diverted it to the U.S., the German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel reported. Berlin's interior minister called the alleged interception "modern piracy." All because POTUS needs to "save face" and can't ask China for help. Actions like this are really going to help America in the long run. These (former) U.S. allies will welcome China with open arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 US politicians (on both sides) have been selling us out to China for 2 decades now. Well there you go - this man is SPOT ON - this has been a bipartisan effort. The jig is up for China, as Americans will DEMAND a recalibration of this relationship. And I imagine, that feeling will ripple around the world as the damage to the world is quantified. haha thanks. I think this is a big reason (though not only) why we've had such huge wealth inequality, low saving rates and artificially low interest rates. This country is very fragile right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Yea China fucked up their initial response. Right Rb - just a minor fuckup. Xi knew about this problem in November/December. Jailed, harassed and humiliated the Chinese doctors that blew the whistle. Barred the WHO and other experts that were called on to assist. Continued the coverup and lies for months, while thousands of their own die. Let thousands of infected fly around the world - especially to their close friends Iran, Italy and EU countries. After the cat is out of the bag - Blame the United States for starting the whole thing. Great ally that China is.. Just a little fuck up Rb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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