Dalal.Holdings Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Singapore continues to have exceptionally low mortality (1/1000 of confirmed cases). This could be due to: 1) Recent rise in infections (deaths could surge in the coming weeks) 2) Aggressive testing (leading to large # of confirmed cases), contact tracing (limiting spread to vulnerable groups) Or, more optimistically: 3) Protection in the host in humid/warm (tropical) climates due to factors such as enhanced innate immune protection of lung--which has been shown with Influenza: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/22/10905 If #3 is true, one would hope for a drop in mortality during the summer months in the Northern Hemisphere. Also if true, perhaps this would be the ideal time to catch it and (hopefully) develop immunity. This is all speculation at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Singapore continues to have exceptionally low mortality (1/1000 of confirmed cases). This could be due to: 1) Recent rise in infections (deaths could surge in the coming weeks) 2) Aggressive testing (leading to large # of confirmed cases), contact tracing (limiting spread to vulnerable groups) Or, more optimistically: 3) Protection in the host in humid/warm (tropical) climates due to factors such as enhanced innate immune protection of lung--which has been shown with Influenza: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/22/10905 If #3 is true, one would hope for a drop in mortality during the summer months in the Northern Hemisphere. Also if true, perhaps this would be the ideal time to catch it and (hopefully) develop immunity. This is all speculation at this point. What does the demographic distribution of Singapore's confirmed cases look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I'm pretty sure that large scale nursing homes are less common in East/Southeast Asian countries. It's customary for sons/daughters to live together with elderly parents and take care of them. Might explain the lower death rates in Singapore, Japan, and South Korea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalal.Holdings Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Do u remember when we had Presidents who weren't sociopaths? Pepperidge Farm remembers (it was only pre-Jan 2017)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalal.Holdings Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I'm pretty sure that large scale nursing homes are less common in East/Southeast Asian countries. It's customary for sons/daughters to live together with elderly parents and take care of them. Might explain the lower death rates in Singapore, Japan, and South Korea. Sons/daughters living with elders could make things worse. This was one of the theories as to why Italy had such a bad outbreak--elderly in frequent, close contact with younger relatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 I'm pretty sure that large scale nursing homes are less common in East/Southeast Asian countries. It's customary for sons/daughters to live together with elderly parents and take care of them. Might explain the lower death rates in Singapore, Japan, and South Korea. Sons/daughters living with elders could make things worse. This was one of the theories as to why Italy had such a bad outbreak--elderly in frequent, close contact with younger relatives. Massive outbreaks at nursing homes are less likely, though. In many countries, the majority of deaths occurred in nursing homes and long-term care facilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Also maybe, the disease doesn't spread at homes because while they live together, they never hug or kiss the elderly in Asian countries. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investor20 Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 According to some articles, the migrant workers who live together in Singapore got high infection rate, who are young and healthy. The government was able to protect old and vulnerable and low infection rates in older people. Together they had high infection rate with low deaths - low fatality rate. This argues against closing colleges and sending college students back home from dorms. It will be interesting to see the antibody tests in SE asian country by age vs Europe/US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcube Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 Propaganda video with a hint of truth. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-01/china-state-media-propaganda-video-mock-us-coronavirus/12204836 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardGibbons Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 The video's amusing, but clearly propaganda. Both the CCP and Trump screwed up, and spinning it as entirely a USA problem is pretty ridiculous. The thing is, because of polarized politics in the USA, a significant number of Americans may support this propaganda. Putin certainly got his money's worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arcube Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 The video's amusing, but clearly propaganda. Both the CCP and Trump screwed up, and spinning it as entirely a USA problem is pretty ridiculous. The thing is, because of polarized politics in the USA, a significant number of Americans may support this propaganda. Putin certainly got his money's worth. Spot on RG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cherzeca Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/thousands-of-surgeries-cancelled-despite-empty-ontario-hospital-beds-fao resulting in 35 deaths from deferred care. extrapolate nationwide and you likely have thousands in North America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 So, here is Boris Johnson’s account: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52517996 The average guy in the UK would have had a different experience in the same situation. I think it is likely that the UK will invest more in their health care system going forward. Nothing convinces better than personal experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 https://nypost.com/2020/05/03/crowds-gather-to-buy-new-air-jordan-sneakers-in-atlanta-after-lockdown-lifted/ LOL, business as usual... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Pretty good article about NM dealing with COVID-19 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/opinion/new-mexico-coronavirus-curve.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sys Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 According to some articles, the migrant workers who live together in Singapore got high infection rate, who are young and healthy. yes, it's this. the cases are also recent and mortality will go up, but the large majority of cases in their recent outbreak are migrant workers who are significantly younger than the population at large. it makes a big difference. i believe the age structure of those infected also explains most of the low mortality in iceland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Liberty Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Pence: ‘I should have worn a mask at the Mayo Clinic’ “I didn't think it was necessary, but I should have worn a mask at the Mayo Clinic and I wore it when I visited the ventilator plant in Indiana” two days later, Pence said at a Fox News virtual town hall on Sunday, nodding sheepishly. https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/03/pence-should-have-worn-mask-mayo-clinic-233360 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 He's OK endangering lives of Minnesotans, just not his native Indianans. What a patriot. Great VP. The best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that. Very unusual. My ex-wife was raised by politicians and from a young age she was coached by her father to "admit nothing, deny everything, and never put anything in writing". This raises a child who cannot take responsibility. I think it's common in a lot of these powerful families and nurtures narcissism and sociopathy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that. Very unusual. My ex-wife was raised by politicians and from a young age she was coached by her father to "admit nothing, deny everything, and never put anything in writing". This raises a child who cannot take responsibility. I think it's common in a lot of these powerful families and nurtures narcissism and sociopathy. Meanwhile Trump is talking about how unfair this whole situation is to him and how badly he's being treated in front of the Lincoln monument... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that. Very unusual. My ex-wife was raised by politicians and from a young age she was coached by her father to "admit nothing, deny everything, and never put anything in writing". This raises a child who cannot take responsibility. I think it's common in a lot of these powerful families and nurtures narcissism and sociopathy. Meanwhile Trump is talking about how unfair this whole situation is to him and how badly he's being treated in front of the Lincoln monument... Everyone is concerned about him suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DooDiligence Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Wow, a non-sociopath reaction. We’re not used to that. Very unusual. My ex-wife was raised by politicians and from a young age she was coached by her father to "admit nothing, deny everything, and never put anything in writing". This raises a child who cannot take responsibility. I think it's common in a lot of these powerful families and nurtures narcissism and sociopathy. Meanwhile Trump is talking about how unfair this whole situation is to him and how badly he's being treated in front of the Lincoln monument... The sun king imagines a grander monument to his royal self. I predict that he will propose ramrod one during the last days of his presidency, and it won't be no stinkin' library either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 I'd say almost all presidents are super egocentric. Trump may or may not be worse...but he's certainly worse at hiding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 I'd say almost all presidents are super egocentric. Trump may or may not be worse...but he's certainly worse at hiding it. He lacks self-awareness (as does a young child). Literally, his mind works like that of a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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