wescobrk Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Gilead is buying Immunomedcis for $88 a share in cash. Depending on what the stock starts trading at tomorrow, this could be an interesting risk arb deal. Anyone on the board that has knowledge in this sector as far as any regulatory agencies risk that might kill the deal? I don't see high risk of the deal not going through. The FDA approved trodelvy in April and Gilead has made similar acquisitions in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I was thinking the same thing. What I do with these situations, if the premiums are good, is write short terms put on IMMU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ander Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Hard to predict regulatory agencies, but unlikely that deal is rejected (e.g, cancer is highly competitive space, there isn't a concentration of indications being addressed, etc.). High probability of deal being completed is what I would guess. Besides the short term puts on IMMU, what other risk arb positions were you thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ander Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I don't see anything to do. Please let me know if you have any ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Have to wait till options start trading near the current share price to see if they are worth selling. I like selling puts in these situations because you know exactly your return and the end date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepupil Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Have to wait till options start trading near the current share price to see if they are worth selling. I like selling puts in these situations because you know exactly your return and the end date. isn't selling a put on a merger arb, basically the same thing as being long announced spread merger arb? I guess the puts can work better if there's unexpected timeline extension but not a break, but it's basically the same thing, right?. You do lose the overbid optionality, but that's pretty rare and only relevant to some situations. Risk arbitrageurs rightly describe their business as one of put selling. Is there a non-obvious reason that put sales are better than being long the spread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Have to wait till options start trading near the current share price to see if they are worth selling. I like selling puts in these situations because you know exactly your return and the end date. isn't selling a put on a merger arb, basically the same thing as being long announced spread merger arb? I guess the puts can work better if there's unexpected timeline extension but not a break, but it's basically the same thing, right?. You do lose the overbid optionality, but that's pretty rare and only relevant to some situations. Risk arbitrageurs rightly describe their business as one of put selling. Is there a non-obvious reason that put sales are better than being long the spread? It is basically as you mention knowing the time. If I write Sept 18 expiration puts my play is over on Sept 18 and I know precisely my percentage gain. Then I can do it again. If I buy IMMU, there are two unknowns. The deal may not go through and it may not close when expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ander Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Anyone surprised that it's at $84 in a 0% interest rate environment -- basically yielding close to 5% upon tendering the shares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Wrote 65-strike, Sept 18 expiration puts for $0.40 per share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ander Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I took more risk and wrote the 2023 puts at 65 strike. What you're doing might be the smarter play in that you get value for the theta (time decay) and can end up in the same spot while rolling over every week, versus I get stuck. And even better may be writing the higher strike puts when they're available like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I took more risk and wrote the 2023 puts at 65 strike. What you're doing might be the smarter play in that you get value for the theta (time decay) and can end up in the same spot while rolling over every week, versus I get stuck. And even better may be writing the higher strike puts when they're available like you said. I think we will both do all right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 wrote some 80-strike, sept 18 expiration puts for $0.50 per share. edit: and then some 75-strike, sept 18 expiration puts for $0.55 per share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ander Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I wrote some 80 strike sept 25th expiration puts for $2.00 per share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I wrote some 80 strike sept 25th expiration puts for $2.00 per share. Nice, much better idea. 2.5% return in 10 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ander Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Thanks. Luck as the bid / asks are wide and moving around. (and hopefully good luck -- barring some left tail risk and deal blows up!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
writser Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 What's our edge here? How do we explain the current spread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 What's our edge here? How do we explain the current spread? I do not know, other than the uncertainty of dealing with pharmaceuticals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I wrote some 80 strike sept 25th expiration puts for $2.00 per share. Nice, much better idea. 2.5% return in 10 days. I was able to write some of these this morning for $1.85 per share. I am done for now. At least till some of the puts I wrote expire this Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I did a few of these as well. Thanks guys. Keep the ideas coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ander Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 What's our edge here? How do we explain the current spread? Spoke w/ a merger-arb investor. He stayed away b/c of big premium 100%+ and it's biotech, so too much risk. He's not able to get up to speed on it since it's biotech and he does not have domain expertise (similar to most merger-arb guys). My guess is if it was a 20% premium then merger-arb guys could get comfort with the downside being lower. Here they assume that the downside is back to where the price was before deal was announced. However, on CNBC GILD CEO said there was a bidding war and process had been 2 months so unlikely it would go back to that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cherzeca Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Wrote 65-strike, Sept 18 expiration puts for $0.40 per share. interesting. what was pre-announcement stock price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Wrote 65-strike, Sept 18 expiration puts for $0.40 per share. interesting. what was pre-announcement stock price? $40s. But the above deals have faded quickly. It was more or less free money. No deal is getting nixed the same week it is announced. Next week's expiry has diminished as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 Wrote 65-strike, Sept 18 expiration puts for $0.40 per share. interesting. what was pre-announcement stock price? Just over $42. Last week I wrote some $85-strike, Oct 9 expiration puts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I wrote some Oct-16 expiration, 85-strike puts for $1.05 per share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Sold a few 10/9 $85 puts for 40c. Thanks to POTUS antics and vol spike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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