Arden Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Ok I found the prospectus, there is protection for WFC WT only for dividends more than 0.34 per quarter. I just hope they don't keep the dividend below it for too long on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinwalt Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 I didn't go and look for the prospectus, but I did find this: http://seekingalpha.com/article/257763-tarp-warrants-hidden-value-among-the-mega-banks BAC BAC-WTA Expiration: January 16, 2019 Strike: $13.30 Quarterly dividend threshold for strike readjustment: $0.01 Additionally, the exercise price of, and the number of shares of our common stock underlying, the warrants will not be adjusted for any regular quarterly cash dividends that are in the aggregate less than or equal to $0.01 per share of common stock, which is the amount of the last dividend per share declared prior to the date on which the warrants were originally issued to Treasury on January 16, 2009. BAC-WTB Expiration: Oct 28, 2018 Strike: $30.79 Additionally, the exercise price of, and the number of shares of our common stock underlying, the warrants will not be adjusted for any regular quarterly cash dividends that are in the aggregate less than or equal to $0.32 per share of common stock, which is the amount of the last dividend per share declared prior to the date on which the warrants were originally issued to Treasury on October 28, 2008. More interesting stuff here: http://caps.fool.com/blogs/tarp-warrantsdeal-or-no/441352 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arden Posted January 1, 2012 Share Posted January 1, 2012 It's really nice to see how well protected the warrants are -. The government really is no sucker. It also says the warrant is protected from buybacks- does anyone know what this means? Buybacks help the warrant, so why would it need protection from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombgrt Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 So... did Munger post something? 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merkhet Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 BAC is above $6 a share for the first time in a while... -- is this allowed? :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alertmeipp Posted January 6, 2012 Share Posted January 6, 2012 remember when it's below 5, all funds must sell. they are buying back once it's above 5.01 ;) just jokes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BargainValueHunter Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 "B" warrants exploded to the upside today (36%) http://www.investorpoint.com/stock/BAC.WS.B-BANK%20OF%20AMERICA%20Corp.%20WARRANTS/ ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftcoast Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 "B" warrants exploded to the upside today (36%) http://www.investorpoint.com/stock/BAC.WS.B-BANK%20OF%20AMERICA%20Corp.%20WARRANTS/ ??? They're making up some lost ground: http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=bacwsb&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=4553784&style=320&freq=1&startdata-ipsquote-timestamp=9/1/2011&enddata-ipsquote-timestamp=1/12/2012&rand=1666108629&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&comp=bacwsa%2C+bac&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1 As Ericopoloy said: There's nothing quite like recovering lost ground and feeling like it's a gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berkshiremystery Posted January 11, 2012 Share Posted January 11, 2012 also neat to have a look at the credit default swaps for the major banks and brokers cds rates are coming down a little in recent days, after the sharp run-up in the second half of 2011 U.S. Bank And Broker Default Risk http://seekingalpha.com/article/319009-u-s-bank-and-broker-default-risk?source=yahoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BargainValueHunter Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 "B" warrants exploded to the upside today (36%) http://www.investorpoint.com/stock/BAC.WS.B-BANK%20OF%20AMERICA%20Corp.%20WARRANTS/ ??? They're making up some lost ground: http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/kaavio.Webhost/charts/big.chart?nosettings=1&symb=bacwsb&uf=0&type=2&size=2&sid=4553784&style=320&freq=1&startdata-ipsquote-timestamp=9/1/2011&enddata-ipsquote-timestamp=1/12/2012&rand=1666108629&compidx=aaaaa%3A0&comp=bacwsa%2C+bac&ma=0&maval=9&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&height=335&width=579&mocktick=1 As Ericopoloy said: There's nothing quite like recovering lost ground and feeling like it's a gain. So your saying that since a one day move hasn't completely made up a year of losses it is nothing to investigate? Anyone who bought the B warrants recently couldn't care less about what happened last year. For them they are popping the champagne (o.k., maybe not but 30% up in a day ain't bad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftcoast Posted January 12, 2012 Share Posted January 12, 2012 So your saying that since a one day move hasn't completely made up a year of losses it is nothing to investigate? Anyone who bought the B warrants recently couldn't care less about what happened last year. For them they are popping the champagne (o.k., maybe not but 30% up in a day ain't bad). Just noting that the B warrants fell much farther than the A's and common, especially during the last 2 months of 2011 (they were down 90% by Dec). Now that BAC is recovering, I'm not surprised to see the B's rising faster. That, and the volatility premium is probably going up too, if you're pricing these like regular options. I have no insight on why the B's bounced back so much today vs yesterday or next week, if that's what you're investigating. If there's a reason for that, I'm sure it would be interesting to hear about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 sorry no link..From Reuters article with title "BofA selling three buildings in New York,Charlotte" spokeswoman Kelli Raulerson, "Real estate ownership is not a core business for Bank of America," Raulerson said. "Therefore, we are currently reviewing our portfolio and making the decision to sell our ownership interest in certain properties." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I like Moynihan. He continues to do what he has to do. Years of acquisition and merger without real integration must have left substantial underutilized or unnecessary resources. sorry no link..From Reuters article with title "BofA selling three buildings in New York,Charlotte" spokeswoman Kelli Raulerson, "Real estate ownership is not a core business for Bank of America," Raulerson said. "Therefore, we are currently reviewing our portfolio and making the decision to sell our ownership interest in certain properties." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Question: What's a fair approximation of price per square foot. Their total real estate holdings are worth $12.5 billion at $100 per square foot. BofA’s 2010 annual report says the bank owned or leased 118.7 million square feet domestically and 6.9 million square feet in foreign countries. http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/bank_notes/2012/02/bank-of-america-to-sell-hearst-tower.html?ana=yfcpc&page=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 I take it this real estate has a low cost basis on BofA's balance sheet. By selling it, they can monetize the DTA to build capital ratio for Basel III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OracleofCarolina Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Here's the link http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/bank_notes/2012/02/bank-of-america-to-sell-hearst-tower.html?ana=yfcpc&page=all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanMaestro Posted February 1, 2012 Share Posted February 1, 2012 Question: What's a fair approximation of price per square foot. Their total real estate holdings are worth $12.5 billion at $100 per square foot. BofA’s 2010 annual report says the bank owned or leased 118.7 million square feet domestically and 6.9 million square feet in foreign countries. http://www.bizjournals.com/charlotte/blog/bank_notes/2012/02/bank-of-america-to-sell-hearst-tower.html?ana=yfcpc&page=2 Do not count victory, a large part of those properties are leased. A company that I own, Gramercy Capital (GKK), was a large leaser to Bank of America (Dana properties) and BAC paid very little because of a rent adjustment provisions that will shoot up in 2019. Those properties (downtown office buildings) are now owned by KBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Well, it was roughly mid-February last year when Berkshire released their Dec 31st holdings. I really think he topped up to a 15% (including warrants) BAC ownership. Every now and then I need to make a prediction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Only another 92% gain to go from here to get back to the 52 week high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txlaw Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Not a bad run so far. It will be interesting to see whether these sale-leaseback transactions and that Allstate ruling will cause more flip flops on BAC by market participants. My exposure to BAC is through the warrants and the 2014 LEAPS. I was tempted to add more recently, but it's already a huge position for me. Instead, I've started to establish a substantial position in the AIG warrants. Incidentally, people should check out the new Fairholme presentation on BAC that was posted on another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prunes Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Sadly, I overweighted in BAC way too early, so when it fell to $5 I felt too overextended to buy more. I am still below my cost basis. Live and learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sswan11 Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 What about quarterly earnings? Article in WSJ about bank earnings at risk as reserve releases diminish. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204662204577199252526660144.html?KEYWORDS=bank+reserves http://seekingalpha.com/article/340081-the-bank-reserves-cookie-jar-is-close-to-empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treasurehunt Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 What about quarterly earnings? Article in WSJ about bank earnings at risk as reserve releases diminish. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204662204577199252526660144.html?KEYWORDS=bank+reserves http://seekingalpha.com/article/340081-the-bank-reserves-cookie-jar-is-close-to-empty I am not concerned. I value banks using my estimate of normalized earnings, and the assumption is that normalized provisions equal normalized charge-offs. Reserve releases are irrelevant to this valuation. Now there might be fluctuations in bank stock prices because reserve releases during some short time frame are much less than expected or something, but why should that be a big deal? The thing to note is that current loan loss provisions are probably close to normalized losses for the big banks, in my opinion (losses are higher than normal, but provisions are less than losses). I don't think any big bank is provisioning much less than normalized losses. Reserve releases will go down over time, but so will losses. I think the net effect will be close to a wash, although there might be quarters where the lack of reserve releases has a negative effect on earnings. I don't see anything to worry about though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 He rides a 15% Oakmark Select fund allocation in Washington Mutual completely into the ground. Then in Q3 2011 he sells the fund out of BAC at prices that in his own words reflect only 1/3 to 1/4 of long term value. http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2012/02/08/oakmarks-nygren-bac-on-right-course-favors-mrk-bmy-vs-jnj/?mod=yahoobarrons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenville Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 He rides a 15% Oakmark Select fund allocation in Washington Mutual completely into the ground. Then in Q3 2011 he sells the fund out of BAC at prices that in his own words reflect only 1/3 to 1/4 of long term value. http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2012/02/08/oakmarks-nygren-bac-on-right-course-favors-mrk-bmy-vs-jnj/?mod=yahoobarrons unfortunately once upon a time I was an investor with Nygren in Oakmark Select, and I watched what happened with Wamu and got out before it was too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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