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As a BAC shareholder, it sure feels like the banks are under attack. However, in most of these cases - the complaint or discovery tends to reveal such egregious behavior that one can only wonder - what were these bank employees thinking.  Some of the actions that have been reported are really beyond the pale. 

 

I do suspect that on this latest round, BAC will be spared or more likely be a bit player.  I don't get the sense that BAC is a huge player in this scandal based on the news reports rarely mentioning BAC and it being more foreign exchange focused.  It's possibe that BAC isn't willing to settle (their focus has been on other more pressing legal battles, i guess). 

 

I sure hope that BAC has learned it's lesson and is going to be extremely cooperative and settle fast going forward.

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Those that benefit from transfer pricing shenanigans and IP offshoring.

 

So pharma and tech? 

 

I think you're the first person I've seen on CoBF who has pointed out that the unreasonable US corporate tax code stays that way in part to deal with "transfer pricing shenanigans and IP offshoring."

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We would do well to move to a territorial system but with that move, between the US and EU and others, put a #*$ load of pressure on Ireland, Luxembourg, and other nations that are playing the race to the bottom taxation game.

 

We're kind of at a standoff between worldwide taxation and foreign earnings tax gaming.

 

 

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hello -

 

I was wondering if anyone could help me understand why an increase in interest rate would benefit Bank of America?  Why would the spread increase?  Would people not take out less loans with higher interest rates? 

 

Thanks

Gary

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hello -

 

I was wondering if anyone could help me understand why an increase in interest rate would benefit Bank of America?  Why would the spread increase?  Would people not take out less loans with higher interest rates? 

 

Thanks

Gary

 

Yes, there might be somewhat of people taking less loans. But I think the theory in general is twofold a) higher rates would generally coincide with a healthier economy, so demand will still be strong. b) once people start seeing rates rise, they will be more eager to borrow money because they would want to lock in a good rate.

 

Moynihan said that an across the board increase of 100 bps would mean $3 billion more to the bottom line, all else being equal. A 100 bps increase is still low historically, and would still be a great deal IMO.

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It's sometimes known as the endowment effect - basically, banks tend to increase lending rates faster than deposit rates and the spread goes up. Another way to look at it, with base rates at 1% it's hard to generate 2.5% spread. With base rates at 8%, it's easy - you tell your clients "we'll lend at base + 1% and pay you base - 1%. Lower base and that spread is much larger to charge (and eventually you'll end up in negative territory). It is generally the case the volumes react more slowly at the beginning of a tightening cycle, people still keep on borrowing and banks overall benefit.

 

hello -

 

I was wondering if anyone could help me understand why an increase in interest rate would benefit Bank of America?  Why would the spread increase?  Would people not take out less loans with higher interest rates? 

 

Thanks

Gary

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Bought a few 2017 -  15 and 17 leaps today.  2.4 years to expiry.  The 15s were  3.40 to 3.45 per. 

 

Thats an 18.40 BE for a stock that will likely be closing on the high 20s by then.  The distant strike also gives time for a correction or short bear market somewhere in the time frame. 

 

The dividend should be close to $0.70 per share by then.  The cash on the balance sheet is growing much more rapidly than EPS indicates. 

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I was reading through this thread starting the beginning. I was wondering...what would people invest in today for BAC, the warrants (BAC-WTA) or the common?

 

My preference is Leaps over both other choices.  The warrants are hard to value right now. 

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The warrants are hard to value right now. 

 

What makes the leaps easier to value?

 

There is the dividend adjustment component. In my opinion, it makes it easier to value the warrants compared to the LEAPS as I don't have to worry about value leaking out due to increasing dividends. But some people may be a lot more comfortable with regular options because they have a lot of experience with them.

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The warrants are hard to value right now. 

 

What makes the leaps easier to value?

 

I probably should retract this statement.  I have more experience with Leaps than warrants, which no one has any experience with.  Alot depends on the outcome. 

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Underlying earnings look good but with the US government taking all they can of them, investors have lost faith in their predictability. I mean, it's not as if the govt. lost money on the financial crisis. This starts to look like expropriation of a questionable nature.

 

I don't think we can ascribe any view on BAC to investors based on today's sell off.

 

BAC's coffers got hit by the government -- and rightfully so, since the disgorgement was related to ill-gotten gains.  Underlying earnings are starting to shine through though, even in this environment where NIMs are compressed and global growth is slowing. 

 

It was a fine quarter for BAC.

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Underlying earnings look good but with the US government taking all they can of them, investors have lost faith in their predictability. I mean, it's not as if the govt. lost money on the financial crisis. This starts to look like expropriation of a questionable nature.

 

I don't think we can ascribe any view on BAC to investors based on today's sell off.

 

BAC's coffers got hit by the government -- and rightfully so, since the disgorgement was related to ill-gotten gains.  Underlying earnings are starting to shine through though, even in this environment where NIMs are compressed and global growth is slowing. 

 

It was a fine quarter for BAC.

 

It was a fine quarter for the govt.

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Underlying earnings look good but with the US government taking all they can of them, investors have lost faith in their predictability. I mean, it's not as if the govt. lost money on the financial crisis. This starts to look like expropriation of a questionable nature.

 

I don't think we can ascribe any view on BAC to investors based on today's sell off.

 

BAC's coffers got hit by the government -- and rightfully so, since the disgorgement was related to ill-gotten gains.  Underlying earnings are starting to shine through though, even in this environment where NIMs are compressed and global growth is slowing. 

 

It was a fine quarter for BAC.

 

It was a fine quarter for the govt.

 

Take a look at your paystub or tax returns.  It is always a fine quarter for the government.  Who said crime doesn't pay?

 

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Underlying earnings look good but with the US government taking all they can of them, investors have lost faith in their predictability. I mean, it's not as if the govt. lost money on the financial crisis. This starts to look like expropriation of a questionable nature.

 

I don't think we can ascribe any view on BAC to investors based on today's sell off.

 

BAC's coffers got hit by the government -- and rightfully so, since the disgorgement was related to ill-gotten gains.  Underlying earnings are starting to shine through though, even in this environment where NIMs are compressed and global growth is slowing. 

 

It was a fine quarter for BAC.

 

It was a fine quarter for the govt.

 

Take a look at your paystub or tax returns.  It is always a fine quarter for the government.  Who said crime doesn't pay?

 

"Well, it pays a little."

- Johnny Dangerously

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