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Does anyone know if Einhorn is short HLF?

I know he asked a question about Herbalife's retail sales numbers on a conference call this year but then he never disclosed a "short"?

 

We just got long GLRE so we are interested.

 

I think he is, but I wouldn't think one short position has too much of an effect on his returns.

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His returns for Q4 are out: -4.4%

+7.1% for the full year.

 

As of 31-December-2012, the largest disclosed long positions in our investment portfolio are Apple,  Cigna, General Motors, gold and Vodafone; our investment portfolio is approximately 102% long and 64% short.

 

 

 

www.greenlightre.ky/?q=node/153

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His returns for Q4 are out: -4.4%

+7.1% for the full year.

 

As of 31-December-2012, the largest disclosed long positions in our investment portfolio are Apple,  Cigna, General Motors, gold and Vodafone; our investment portfolio is approximately 102% long and 64% short.

 

 

 

www.greenlightre.ky/?q=node/153

 

Thank you orion,

of course the big drop in Apple stock price has much hindered performance in Q4...  :(

 

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I don't know if someone has already posted this, but here is a good interview of Mr. Einhorn on Bloomberg about Apple:

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/einhorn-urges-investors-to-send-message-to-apple-5p8zH57HT8SO63ufjW1InA.html#

 

giofranchi

 

“As time goes on I get more and more convinced that the right method in investment is to put fairly large sums into enterprises which one thinks one knows something about and in the management of which one thoroughly believes. It is a mistake to think that one limits one’s risk by spreading too much between enterprises about which one knows little and has no reason for special confidence.” - John Maynard Keynes

 

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The following is a bearish thesis on GreenlightRe that, needless to say, I clearly don't believe in. But I think it is always very useful to listen to the arguments of people who disagree with my point of view:

 

http://www.econmatters.com/2013/02/so-david-einhorn-is-dumb-money-on-apple.html

 

giofranchi

 

“As time goes on I get more and more convinced that the right method in investment is to put fairly large sums into enterprises which one thinks one knows something about and in the management of which one thoroughly believes. It is a mistake to think that one limits one’s risk by spreading too much between enterprises about which one knows little and has no reason for special confidence.” - John Maynard Keynes

 

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Einhorn's letter to Apple shareholders.

 

giofranchi

 

“As time goes on I get more and more convinced that the right method in investment is to put fairly large sums into enterprises which one thinks one knows something about and in the management of which one thoroughly believes. It is a mistake to think that one limits one’s risk by spreading too much between enterprises about which one knows little and has no reason for special confidence.” - John Maynard Keynes

 

 

Einhorn-Urges-Apple-Shareholders.pdf

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Hi Gio:

 

I begin to study Einhorn. His tracking record is stellar. But I couldn't find enough materials to find out how he built his records.

Are there many old letters on the web to show his trading in history ?

 

Thanks!

/Plato1976

 

Einhorn's letter to Apple shareholders.

 

giofranchi

 

“As time goes on I get more and more convinced that the right method in investment is to put fairly large sums into enterprises which one thinks one knows something about and in the management of which one thoroughly believes. It is a mistake to think that one limits one’s risk by spreading too much between enterprises about which one knows little and has no reason for special confidence.” - John Maynard Keynes

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Hi Gio:

 

I begin to study Einhorn. His tracking record is stellar. But I couldn't find enough materials to find out how he built his records.

Are there many old letters on the web to show his trading in history ?

 

Thanks!

/Plato1976

 

 

Hi Plato,

I have checked and I have letters by Mr. Einhorn that go back to October 2008. I am not sure, but I guess you could find even older letters on the web. I would suggest to download the AM Presentations from the GLRE website, and to read Mr. Einhorn’s book “Fooling Some Of The People All Of The Times”, to get a better perspective on both GLRE operations and Mr. Einhorn’s abilities as an investor.

 

giofranchi

 

“As time goes on I get more and more convinced that the right method in investment is to put fairly large sums into enterprises which one thinks one knows something about and in the management of which one thoroughly believes. It is a mistake to think that one limits one’s risk by spreading too much between enterprises about which one knows little and has no reason for special confidence.” - John Maynard Keynes

 

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I don't know if someone has already posted this, but here is a good interview of Mr. Einhorn on Bloomberg about Apple:

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/einhorn-urges-investors-to-send-message-to-apple-5p8zH57HT8SO63ufjW1InA.html#

 

giofranchi

 

“As time goes on I get more and more convinced that the right method in investment is to put fairly large sums into enterprises which one thinks one knows something about and in the management of which one thoroughly believes. It is a mistake to think that one limits one’s risk by spreading too much between enterprises about which one knows little and has no reason for special confidence.” - John Maynard Keynes

 

Thanks!

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The following is a bearish thesis on GreenlightRe that, needless to say, I clearly don't believe in. But I think it is always very useful to listen to the arguments of people who disagree with my point of view:

 

http://www.econmatters.com/2013/02/so-david-einhorn-is-dumb-money-on-apple.html

 

 

I'm not sure it's "always" useful to get the variant view. It would be dangerous to assume the aggressive, physically painful stupidity of that post is typical of Greenlight bears...

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The following is a bearish thesis on GreenlightRe that, needless to say, I clearly don't believe in. But I think it is always very useful to listen to the arguments of people who disagree with my point of view:

 

http://www.econmatters.com/2013/02/so-david-einhorn-is-dumb-money-on-apple.html

 

 

I'm not sure it's "always" useful to get the variant view. It would be dangerous to assume the aggressive, physically painful stupidity of that post is typical of Greenlight bears...

 

I agree. Especially for this article, which is completely non-sense. However if there is some serious allegation, that is interesting to pay attention to.

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4th Quarter and Year End 2012 Financial Results

 

giofranchi

 

“As time goes on I get more and more convinced that the right method in investment is to put fairly large sums into enterprises which one thinks one knows something about and in the management of which one thoroughly believes. It is a mistake to think that one limits one’s risk by spreading too much between enterprises about which one knows little and has no reason for special confidence.” - John Maynard Keynes

Greenlight_4th_Quarter_and_year_end_results.pdf

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Q4 2012 Earnings Call Transcript

 

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“As time goes on I get more and more convinced that the right method in investment is to put fairly large sums into enterprises which one thinks one knows something about and in the management of which one thoroughly believes. It is a mistake to think that one limits one’s risk by spreading too much between enterprises about which one knows little and has no reason for special confidence.” - John Maynard Keynes

greenlight-capital-re-Q42012-earnings-call-transcript.pdf

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I think David Einhorn is a great investor.

 

So please go easy on me here as I am often mistaken :D, but ...

 

The problem for me here is a) the fees charged for him to manage the money, and b) they appear to have little underwriting discipline at Greenlight... The classic flaw in reinsurance.  What signs do you see that the float will ever be a "paid float"? It is nice to play what if on a superior combined ratio, but I see no competitive advantage for GLRE.

 

At current interest rates, why not just buy into the hedge fund on margin if you want to lever Einhorn's investments. You can prob lever up cheaper than Greenlight's loose pen. Better yet, you could just go out and match his 13f if you want and avoid the high fees. Lever up to your liking.

 

 

 

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