Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 I guess if you're quoting "the report"; I can't say anything there ;) no longer quoting rimm pr department. now quoting actual people who have used production units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 summation of the Verge review "The Z10 is a good smartphone. Frankly, it's a better smartphone than I expected from RIM at this stage in the game. It does everything a modern phone should do, usually without hesitation. It doesn't do everything perfectly, but it does many things — most things — reasonably well. The problem with the Z10 is that it doesn't necessarily do anything better than any of its competition. Sure, there are arguments that could be made about how it handles messages or the particulars of its camera, but no one could argue that there's a "killer app" here. Something that makes you want or need this phone because it can do what no other phone can do. That's not the case — in fact if anything is the case, it's that the Z10 can't yet do some things that other devices can. Or at least, can't do them quite as well. And that's where I end up. The Z10 is a fine device, well made, reasonably priced, backed by a company with a long track record. But it's not the only device of its kind, and it's swimming against a massive wave of entrenched players with really, really good products. Products they figured out how to make years ago. Products that are mature. The smartphone industry doesn't need saving. If you love RIM and the BlackBerry brand and really want to keep supporting them, buying a Z10 wouldn't be a mistake. But I think there are better phones on the market, and I don't yet see a compelling reason for most customers to choose this phone over those better ones. So why the Z10? Why now? Until Research In Motion can answer that question, I would be careful about how you spend your money." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Interview with the CEO: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324610504578273672719881526.html "Huge marketing spend" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Guess who had the upper hand in the negotiations? http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/30/blackberry-z10-uk-pricing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 new bb employee follows the money... https://plus.google.com/+AliciaKeys/posts/enKYvYqWoep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Interview with the CEO: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324610504578273672719881526.html "Huge marketing spend" and inventory build. lets see what happens to cash flow.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Verge: "deeply disappointed by the battery in the Z10" "could not make it through an entire workday" $RIMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 peter, it's a shame you didn't short it. :'( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 this is very satisfying to me. :) and here we are at $8b market cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Whatever happened to Rimm never sleeps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Whatever happened to Rimm never sleeps? wellmont, any thoughts on this? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 RIM Changes Company Name to BlackBerry http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-30/rim-changes-company-name-to-blackberry.html (sorry if this is a repost, I might have missed where it was already posted) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Whatever happened to Rimm never sleeps? wellmont, any thoughts on this? ;) last I heard RNS was last seen walking out of an Herbalife distributor in Queens NY carrying a large bag. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txlaw Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Walt Mossberg on the Z10 and Q10: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324329204578272114027831402.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Walt Mossberg on the Z10 and Q10: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324329204578272114027831402.html Txlaw, notice the lack of "cloud". ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txlaw Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Walt Mossberg on the Z10 and Q10: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324329204578272114027831402.html Txlaw, notice the lack of "cloud". ;) Come on, now. You know as well as I do that I was speculating that RIM could be partnering with the carriers to drive the carriers' cloud services. So you can't say I told you so just yet. ;) Interestingly, during the keynote, Thorsten Heins dropped the term "Internet of Things" and stated that RIM would be the OS closest to that shift. So we can probably expect to hear more on that going forward. In fact, you can expect to hear more about M2M and the Internet of Things across the tech world and Silicon Valley in the next few months and years. This is the beginning of the launch, my friend. As you and wellmont wrote a couple of posts back, it will take some time to see how this all plays out. Let's not get carried away because of price action, and let's try not to get into another back and forth that is annoying to the board. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 txlaw are you surprised a CEO used an actual marketing buzzword in a presentation? He can't do internet of things any better than anybody else can. In fact they can't even release smartphones in a timely manner. where are the carrier partnerships for cloud services? where are the license agreements for bb10? still have to give kudos to rimm pr dept. they sure brought the hype. unfortunately THorsten brought the "reality". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 txlaw are you surprised a CEO used an actual marketing buzzword in a presentation? He can't do internet of things any better than anybody else can. In fact they can't even release smartphones in a timely manner. where are the carrier partnerships for cloud services? where are the license agreements for bb10? still have to give kudos to rimm pr dept. they sure brought the hype. unfortunately THorsten brought the "reality". In that respect, Txlaw and RIMM are in complete aligned - they both love buzzwords. ;D ;D ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txlaw Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 txlaw are you surprised a CEO used a marketing buzzword in a presentation? He can't do internet of things any better than anybody else can. In fact they can't even release smartphones in a timely manner. wellmont, we know what your view is on whether or not Blackberry can be involved in the Internet of Things and M2M. I disagree, particularly because of the way that QNX is already positioned to be a part of that revolution. I am willing to wait to see what happens over time as the BB10 platform develops. I also disagree with you and ValueInv that the "Internet of Things" and "M2M" concepts are buzzwords. It reminds me of folks who said that "the cloud" was just a buzzword. It will take time to show how wrong you guys were on this, but that's okay. Regarding not timely releasing smart phones, I point you to the interview with Thorsten Heins that ValueInv posted. The bottleneck for releasing the phone in the US is carrier lab testing. This has been known since late last year, when the media was reporting that phones had been sent to the carriers. It takes longer in the US to test these phones. I think you know this. Your prediction that a BB10 phone wouldn't be released at all until late March was simply incorrect. The Z10 is available in the UK starting tomorrow. And will be available elsewhere in February. So there you go. We disagree, and I'd like to leave it at that. I will be ignoring most of the cherry bomb posts that you and ValueInv like to throw out there on these tech issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 qnx is positioned way worse than android (with 70% global SP share) to provide internet of "things" whatever that means. it's one thing for a CEO to spout off about their big plans, it's yet another to execute. And that is the rimm Achilles heel. rimm is very good with pr. very bad with execution. as for releasing phones in a timely manner, all the device makers have to deal with that USA carrier bottleneck no? so to suggest that rimm is somehow special in that it is hard for them to deal with the carriers is disingenuous. Samsung has no trouble releasing a new flagship phone every year like clockwork. rimm has had a longstanding relationship with every USA carrier. they aren't new at this game. rimm disappointed their biggest supporters by not having phones available in the world's most important wireless market. The carriers response to these phones are tepid at best. as far as QNX goes if I were rimm I would work on improving battery life, developing a cloud ecosystem, and getting the bugs out, before taking on the nebulous marketing concept of the moment, the "internet of things". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 txlaw are you surprised a CEO used a marketing buzzword in a presentation? He can't do internet of things any better than anybody else can. In fact they can't even release smartphones in a timely manner. wellmont, we know what your view is on whether or not Blackberry can be involved in the Internet of Things and M2M. I disagree, particularly because of the way that QNX is already positioned to be a part of that revolution. I am willing to wait to see what happens over time as the BB10 platform develops. I also disagree with you and ValueInv that the "Internet of Things" and "M2M" concepts are buzzwords. It reminds me of folks who said that "the cloud" was just a buzzword. It will take time to show how wrong you guys were on this, but that's okay. Words like "cloud" and "M2M" become buzzwords when they are used in instance where they do not apply. There are companies really working on those two areas like Amazon, SFDC, Jasper Wireless, etc. Then there are others trying to capitalize on the hype surrounding these technologies from a marketing perspective. Then there are investors who buy into the hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 this experienced gadget geek cuts through the hype and gets to the heart. http://thewirecutter.com/2013/01/new-blackberry-new-blackberry/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valueorama Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 this experienced gadget geek cuts through the hype and gets to the heart. http://thewirecutter.com/2013/01/new-blackberry-new-blackberry/ That is one of the worst comments every written about z10. This guy should not be quoted for anything. All he is concerned about is apps. I am sorry, when i bought my wp7 phone i had similar comments. Let me say this, WP7 phone has been great. It is a very smooth and stable. Doesn't force close/crash apps and everything just works. I can't say that about Android phones(yes i have one). In terms of Apps in wp7 it is good, everybody complains. It is not like you need all 100,000 apps in your phone. How many times are you going to hear a fart sound or cat laughing! I can only give credit to this guy's gripe about a budget/expense app not being available. I am sure Big companies will release their apps when they feel the need aka netflix and others. I felt mossberg's review was more balanced and thorough. Recently, people have been comparing about iOS vs Android debates to Apple vs Microsoft in old days. So to both these folks, anything that is not iOS or Android it is beneath them to use it. So, it is a big psychological barrier but it can be done. Look at linux, it is doing strides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 like it or not he is an influencer and he won't be telling anyone to buy bb. nor will the verge. nor will engadget. that's the point. not whether you agree with him or not about his review of z10. in fact that's exactly what he closed his review with. this guy didn't even bother to give it a full on review. didn't think it warranted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 this experienced gadget geek cuts through the hype and gets to the heart. http://thewirecutter.com/2013/01/new-blackberry-new-blackberry/ That is one of the worst comments every written about z10. This guy should not be quoted for anything. All he is concerned about is apps. I am sorry, when i bought my wp7 phone i had similar comments. Let me say this, WP7 phone has been great. It is a very smooth and stable. Doesn't force close/crash apps and everything just works. I can't say that about Android phones(yes i have one). In terms of Apps in wp7 it is good, everybody complains. It is not like you need all 100,000 apps in your phone. How many times are you going to hear a fart sound or cat laughing! I can only give credit to this guy's gripe about a budget/expense app not being available. I am sure Big companies will release their apps when they feel the need aka netflix and others. I felt mossberg's review was more balanced and thorough. Recently, people have been comparing about iOS vs Android debates to Apple vs Microsoft in old days. So to both these folks, anything that is not iOS or Android it is beneath them to use it. So, it is a big psychological barrier but it can be done. Look at linux, it is doing strides. How well is Windows 8 doing? BTW, here is Walt Mossberg's last line: " I believe it has a chance of getting BlackBerry back into the game, if the company can attract a lot more apps." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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