Liberty Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I wonder what the reaction would have been if they had called this the iPhone 5? Everything is vastly improved except for the shape of the exterior! Are iPhones for looking at or for using?! Version numbers are always arbitrary, but once you pick a way to do it, consistency is best. If they had called the iPhone 3GS the iPhone 4, maybe the 4 would have been the 5 and this one would have been the 6th... But now they've established that full version bumps are for exterior redesigns, IMO. Deception would have been greater if they had called it the 5, so it wasn't a winning proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 It doesn't change anything to what I said. Read this: http://disruptivewireless.blogspot.com/2011/10/my-suspicions-on-iphone-delays-chipset.html You're making the same mistake that everyone else is - you're judging the book by its cover. You're looking at the exterior design of the iPhone and saying "Meh, nothing much changed". Not true. You're putting words in my mouth, I never said nothing changed or that what mattered was the external design. I just said that from the 4 to the 4S the step was smaller than from the 3 to the 4. You stated that Apple was holding back. I am refuting that by showing that 1, Apple actually has included a lot in this release 2, Delayed in the product release from summer to fall 3, Kept one key feature in beta at the time of release i.e. not yet ready - something that you don't usually see with Apple. 1+2+3 would indicate that they're not holding back, no? They're not holding back if they can't finish the product in time, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 This doesn't mean that if X numbers of months ago (these things have a long lead time) they had felt threatened and saw really scary things on the horizon from their competitors, that they couldn't have decided to pick one of the external designs that they have been testing and launch production on it for it to be ready around this time of year. Other features that we're seeing today would still be present, and the one in beta might still be in beta, but we could also be having a different exterior with probably a few more features to warrant a full version number bump. As I said, a lot of those feature are rather modular and don't have that many dependencies now that the iPhone has most of the hardware that can be expected in a phone (GPS, accelerometer, multi-touch, camera, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmitz Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Here is a funny statement from a friend of mine in China that wanted me to buy him a iPhone 5. That tells us the perception of the 4s, not that one opinion has any impact on the future of Apple... Ok,Jim Cook said Apple Inc. has not iphone5 to sell your guys,We said we have not money to buy your funny toy iphone4s. I believed that Apple is getting Waterloo... BeerBaron Indeed. For many folks the iPhone isn't just functional, it's a status symbol. That doesn't help when you don't change the outside. Can't say I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 It doesn't change anything to what I said. Read this: http://disruptivewireless.blogspot.com/2011/10/my-suspicions-on-iphone-delays-chipset.html You're making the same mistake that everyone else is - you're judging the book by its cover. You're looking at the exterior design of the iPhone and saying "Meh, nothing much changed". Not true. You're putting words in my mouth, I never said nothing changed or that what mattered was the external design. I just said that from the 4 to the 4S the step was smaller than from the 3 to the 4. And I'm not sure where your getting that from. If you saw the video from 2001, you'll see that they changed the entire vision and architecture that they have been executing on for the whole of last decade. The PC is no longer the digital hub. They don't have a hub and spoke architecture. They have moved to a cloud-based one. You think this is a smaller change than the change from 3 to 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 And one more thing: The 4S is to the previous generations of the iPhone what the original iPhone was to the then state-of-art i.e. Blackberry The original iPhone essentially represented an innovation in the interface. It did not have many applications or many features that the Blackberry had. In fact, it had far less. What was different was a full screen, virtual keyboard, a touch interface and the accompanying interface widgets. This allowed for better browsing,etc. This started a whole revolution with everyone copying Apple's design. Up till now, our smartphone have essentially been tools. When you need to perform a task, you pull up the appropriate app, enter the information and finish the task. If your task had multiple steps, you often pulled up different apps and co-ordinated different steps much like using a set of tools to finish a task. In effect, the phone simply reacted to input you provided. Siri has the potential to change all of that..It may not have everything on day one but it is likely to have it over the next two years. Siri is a completely new interface that shifts the phone from being a set of reactive tools to being an intelligent agent. You express your task to Siri, it figures out which application to pull up, automatically enters the information and shows you the results. It even co-ordinates multiple steps for you. Taken to the extreme, Siri can eliminate the need for apps themselves. Instead of viewing restaurant on Yelp, you just ask Siri for the best place. Siri pulls the reviews from the best sites in the back end. You don't even need to know where they came from. Let me illustrate with an example of meeting a friend for lunch at a sushi place. In the previous version you would do the following. 1, Pull up Yelp to find a good sushi place, Narrow you search to sushi, scroll through the reviews and pick one. 2, Pull up Opentable, find the sushi place and make a reservation 3, Open up mail, find your friends address and compose an email with the place and time , send to friend. 4, When your friend confirms, mark your calendar, selecting the date and time and entering "Lunch with Bill" 5, On the day of, pull up Maps and find the directions to the place 6, Book a taxi through Taxi Magic. With Siri , 1, You simply say "Best sushi near here". Siri pulls up the top rated sushi places. You say "Book Ebisu for Thu at 10 with Bill" Siri contacts open table to make the reservation. Once that is done, it finds Bill in your address book and emails him an invitation with the info. When Bill confirms, it automatically marks your calendar. On the day of, it reminds you on the lunch meeting and shows you directions. You say "book a taxi" and 10 minutes later, a taxi shows up at your office. In other words, Siri could make current smartphones look like a dumb phones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 And I'm not sure where your getting that from. If you saw the video from 2001, you'll see that they changed the entire vision and architecture that they have been executing on for the whole of last decade. The PC is no longer the digital hub. They don't have a hub and spoke architecture. They have moved to a cloud-based one. You think this is a smaller change than the change from 3 to 4? This is something completely different from the specific hardware and software changes between the iPhone 4 and 4S. I could have been accomplished on an iPhone 3 or 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I agree about Siri being a big deal, but it's still an acquisition and still a feature that could have been implemented on any version of the iPhone. It's not iPhone 4S specific since what you need it a microphone and a connection to the internet (in fact, there was a Siri app available previously, though it wasn't quite the same as what was released). The change of direction to more cloud based services (SaaS) is industry-wide and not iPhone 4S specific. In fact, even if they had not released any new version of the iPhone they could still have gone ahead with iCloud and Siri and PC-less synching and all that. I still maintain that there's a difference between changing the whole phone between 3 and 4 and what happened between 4 and 4S, and even Apple seems to agree since they didn't call it the 5. But as always, discussion with you rapidly becomes totally unproductive and pointless, so respectfully, count me out of this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombgrt Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 I'm so pre-ordering this: http://9to5mac.com/2011/08/15/official-steve-jobs-biography-set-for-november-21-release-based-on-forty-interviews/ Isaacson is a great biographer. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/oct/07/steve-jobs-biography-official-release Strike while the iron is hot I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Isaacson's biography of Ben Franklin was amazing. I can't wait to get my hands on this one, even if I'm very sad at the circumstances :-[ Simon & Schuster's synopsis says the book is based on more than 40 interviews with Jobs conducted over two years – as well as interviews with more than a hundred family members, friends, adversaries, competitors, and colleagues. "Although Jobs co-operated with this book, he asked for no control over what was written nor even the right to read it before it was published. He put nothing off-limits. He encouraged the people he knew to speak honestly. And Jobs speaks candidly, sometimes brutally so, about the people he worked with and competed against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-10/death-of-jobs-increases-plea-for-release-of-apple-s-76-billion-cash-tech.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCG Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-10/death-of-jobs-increases-plea-for-release-of-apple-s-76-billion-cash-tech.html I trust Apple's decision on what to do with their cash much more than short-term impatient investors and moronic analysts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Like it said: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/10/inside_apples_iphone_4s_s_is_for_siri_voice_recognition.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Apple misses: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-18/apple-s-results-miss-estimates-as-iphone-sales-fall-short-shares-decline.html Stock down about 6% afterhours. Good, goody, gumdrops :) :) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffmori7 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Apple still growing super fast. I don't care about analyst expectations! Good wrteup here : http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/18/apple-records-q4-2011-earnings-of-6-6b-on-28-3b-in-revenue-tops-100-billion-in-sales-for-fiscal-2011/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 Now, this is what I've been waiting for!! http://www.loopinsight.com/2011/10/21/att-tremendous-tremendous-demand-for-iphone-3gs/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCG Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I'm loving my 4S so far. Switched from Android (I have an iPad as well, so I've been using iOS for a while even before getting an iPhone. Seems like most of my friends who have Android phones are planning on switching to iPhone as well. Seems like Apple is selling every 4S they can produce right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAllen Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I'm loving my 4S so far. Switched from Android (I have an iPad as well, so I've been using iOS for a while even before getting an iPhone. Seems like most of my friends who have Android phones are planning on switching to iPhone as well. Seems like Apple is selling every 4S they can produce right now. Why did you switch from Android DCG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCG Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 I'm loving my 4S so far. Switched from Android (I have an iPad as well, so I've been using iOS for a while even before getting an iPhone. Seems like most of my friends who have Android phones are planning on switching to iPhone as well. Seems like Apple is selling every 4S they can produce right now. Why did you switch from Android DCG? My Android phone worked well for about a year, and has been awful for the last year. Part of the reason is the manufacturer (Motorola) stopped supporting my phone after only one year (meaning no operating system updates, and most of the apps on my phone did not work well on an older version of Android. This is a big problem with Android. Manufacturers are cranking out around 20 Android phones a year (globally). They stop supporting the 'older' phones very quickly, even though phones are purchased with 2-year contracts. I had been having a ton of problems with individual Android apps crashing, and apps generally taking about 20 seconds to load onto the screen each time I turned my phone on (from sleep mode) or pressed the home button). Apps such as the camera stopped working entirely months ago. I did a few restores, which, each time, worked for a week or two, and then my phone went back to working terribly. Apps generally work better on iPhones, in my experience. Also, I have a Mac computer, so iCloud is a big draw for me. Being able to take a photo on my iPhone, and have it instantly be available in iPhoto on my computer (without having to upload anything, connect my phone to my computer or email myself photos to download) is great. I should also point out that I use a lot of Google products as well. I use GMail (and Google contacts), Google Docs, Google Calendar, Google Voice Search, Google Shopping and other products, and the one reason I was hesitant about switching to iPhone was that I assumed Google products would not be integrated as well on the iPhone, compared to Android. I've honestly found so far that most Google products/apps actually work even better on the iPhone than on my Android phone. That could (at least partially) be due to me having a relatively old Android phone though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uccmal Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Dcg, I didn't know that about android phones, or at least motorola. That for me would be a game ender. I want the full contract out of my device. Also, being only moderately savvy with this stuff these days, upgrading manually and restoring would just tick me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarioP Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Some of my friends who owns androids phone also told me that the ecosystem is a mess. Since Android is open source you never know if an app will work on your version of android. It will probably discourage a lots of app developpers too because those multiplying versions is certainly a real headache if you want to sell to every owner of an android. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Some of my friends who owns androids phone also told me that the ecosystem is a mess. Since Android is open source you never know if an app will work on your version of android. It will probably discourage a lots of app developpers too because those multiplying versions is certainly a real headache if you want to sell to every owner of an android. I am beginning to notice a shift among my friends too. A lot of sworn Android users are getting the iPhone 4S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCG Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Some interesting thoughts: 5 Reasons Google Is Sweating Apple: http://www.fastcompany.com/1793401/google-is-really-scared-of-apple?partner=rss&utm_source=pulsenews&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+fastcompany%2Fheadlines+%28Fast+Company+Headlines%29 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smazz Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 Be wary of some of those APPS also "security" problems. http://beta.finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-security-expert-finds-apps-004258010.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCG Posted November 8, 2011 Share Posted November 8, 2011 iPhone 4S pre-orders sold out in only 10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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