Palantir Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Tony Fadell Even if Ive had created it, it wouldn't mean he was the inventor. He's the hardware designer, that's his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Tony Fadell Even if Ive had created it, it wouldn't mean he was the inventor. He's the hardware designer, that's his job. Not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 More data from Adobe: http://www.businessinsider.com/ios-android-shopping-traffic-2013-11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Tony Fadell Even if Ive had created it, it wouldn't mean he was the inventor. He's the hardware designer, that's his job. Not true. Yes, true. These products have always been a team effort, and not the creation or invention of one guy, despite your attempts to say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Tony Fadell Even if Ive had created it, it wouldn't mean he was the inventor. He's the hardware designer, that's his job. Not true. Yes, true. These products have always been a team effort, and not the creation or invention of one guy, despite your attempts to say so. Firstly, I didn't say so. You said Tony created it. Secondly, I've always said that iPhone wasn't just Jobs creation. There were many people Instrumental. This was is response to the Steve Jobs is dead, Apple is doomed theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Tony Fadell Even if Ive had created it, it wouldn't mean he was the inventor. He's the hardware designer, that's his job. OK Palantir, youve just revealed yourself to be a boob. And you've revealed yourself to be dumbass, keep posting, and when you figure out that it's the job of the hardware design team to build prototypes, come back to us. And you speak from experience? How many products have you Been involved in shipping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Tony Fadell Even if Ive had created it, it wouldn't mean he was the inventor. He's the hardware designer, that's his job. OK Palantir, youve just revealed yourself to be a boob. And you've revealed yourself to be dumbass, keep posting, and when you figure out that it's the job of the hardware design team to build prototypes, come back to us. And you speak from experience? How many products have you Been involved in shipping? No, I'm just stating basic logic to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Tony Fadell Even if Ive had created it, it wouldn't mean he was the inventor. He's the hardware designer, that's his job. Not true. Yes, true. These products have always been a team effort, and not the creation or invention of one guy, despite your attempts to say so. Firstly, I didn't say so. You said Tony created it. Secondly, I've always said that iPhone wasn't just Jobs creation. There were many people Instrumental. This was is response to the Steve Jobs is dead, Apple is doomed theory. I never said Fadell "created the iPhone", he asked me who created the first prototypes, and that is Tony's team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Tony Fadell Even if Ive had created it, it wouldn't mean he was the inventor. He's the hardware designer, that's his job. OK Palantir, youve just revealed yourself to be a boob. And you've revealed yourself to be dumbass, keep posting, and when you figure out that it's the job of the hardware design team to build prototypes, come back to us. And you speak from experience? How many products have you Been involved in shipping? No, I'm just stating basic logic to you. So zero products? Shipping a product is a lot more complicated than Businessweek articles tell you. Don't jump to conclusions. And btw, the industrial design team influences a lot of the product Including the shape, the weight, the materials and a lot more. And yes, they Do build prototypes. Even before the hardware team. In many cases, the Hardware team builds to the specifications and constraints set by the industrial design team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 And you are proving my point in your zeal to disagree with me. Building prototypes is a key part of Jonathan Ive's job. That does not make him the "inventor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 And you are proving my point in your zeal to disagree with me. Building prototypes is a key part of Jonathan Ive's job. That does not make him the "inventor". There was no "invention". The smartphone was "invented" way before even Apple considered one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardincap Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Tony Fadell Even if Ive had created it, it wouldn't mean he was the inventor. He's the hardware designer, that's his job. Not true. Yes, true. These products have always been a team effort, and not the creation or invention of one guy, despite your attempts to say so. Firstly, I didn't say so. You said Tony created it. Secondly, I've always said that iPhone wasn't just Jobs creation. There were many people Instrumental. This was is response to the Steve Jobs is dead, Apple is doomed theory. I never said Fadell "created the iPhone", he asked me who created the first prototypes, and that is Tony's team. fadell's team created a proof of concept OS for the iphone that was eventually rejected by Jobs, and fadell later left the company. Ive & team created the first prototype for the touchscreen interface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 And you are proving my point in your zeal to disagree with me. Building prototypes is a key part of Jonathan Ive's job. That does not make him the "inventor". There was no "invention". The smartphone was "invented" way before even Apple considered one. I never said Apple invented the smartphone, I'm just refuting the idea that one man "invented" or "dreamt up" Apple's products. Why are you still posting? Do you just go out of your way to look for an argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 fadell's team created a proof of concept OS for the iphone that was eventually rejected by Jobs, and fadell later left the company. Ive & team created the first prototype for the touchscreen interface. Er no. The touchscreen interface predates Ive. Fadell had the first prototype, then Forstall put together the first prototype with multitouch and was the brain behind the operating system - the very core of the iPhone, then much later did Ive put together the final form factor of the iPhone. Which is great, but he's still no your mythical "creator". Apple also had a prototype iPad that predated the iPhone, but processors were not advanced enough to make it mobile at that point, so they waited. It's irrefutable that these products have always been a collaborative effort between talented people and not the brainchild of a mythical oracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardincap Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 fadell's team created a proof of concept OS for the iphone that was eventually rejected by Jobs, and fadell later left the company. Ive & team created the first prototype for the touchscreen interface. Er no. The touchscreen interface predates Ive. Fadell had the first prototype, then Forstall put together the first prototype with multitouch and was the brain behind the operating system - the very core of the iPhone, then much later did Ive put together the final form factor of the iPhone. Which is great, but he's still no your mythical "creator". Apple also had a prototype iPad that predated the iPhone, but processors were not advanced enough to make it mobile at that point, so they waited. It's irrefutable that these products have always been a collaborative effort between talented people and not the brainchild of a mythical oracle. Really? source? From jobs book: This is how Jonathan Ive, the key designer behind iMac, iPod, iPhone and iPad and Steve’s close friend dealt with the situation. Ive and his team were working on multi-touch technology for the MacBook Pro in their spare time. He knew that it could be a game-changer technology. Ive says, “Because Steve is so quick to give an opinion, I don’t show him stuff in front of other people,” Ive recalled. “He might say, ‘This is shit,’ and snuff the idea. I feel that ideas are very fragile, so you have to be tender when they are in development.” Ive demoed the multi-touch idea in a one-on-one meeting. Fortunately, Jobs liked it and said, “This is the future.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 fadell's team created a proof of concept OS for the iphone that was eventually rejected by Jobs, and fadell later left the company. Ive & team created the first prototype for the touchscreen interface. Er no. The touchscreen interface predates Ive. Fadell had the first prototype, then Forstall put together the first prototype with multitouch and was the brain behind the operating system - the very core of the iPhone, then much later did Ive put together the final form factor of the iPhone. Which is great, but he's still no your mythical "creator". Apple also had a prototype iPad that predated the iPhone, but processors were not advanced enough to make it mobile at that point, so they waited. It's irrefutable that these products have always been a collaborative effort between talented people and not the brainchild of a mythical oracle. There is no person at Apple today that has more control and influence over its products than Ive. While work is done my many people, people like Ive decide what goes in and what is rejected. They are the ones who decide what to shoot for and what is good enough. Now, if you ever worked in a product organization instead of reading articles on the Internet, you would know how companies really work . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Today Apple will earn in the neighbourhood of $40 billion dollars. They have $130 billion in net cash sitting on their balance sheet. They have the best smartphone, tablet, pc's and ecosystem. They own the global wealthy consumer segment. They are ideally positioned in mobile which will grow for many more years. Yes, they have strong competitors.... And this will NEVER change as there are many great companies out there. But all some people see are problems. Some companies earn nothing, have no money in the bank. But they MIGHT do well in the future and so the market bids their shares up to very high levels. Apple is the real deal. Great company, great business, very profitable and most importantly with very good future prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Really? source? From jobs book: This is how Jonathan Ive, the key designer behind iMac, iPod, iPhone and iPad and Steve’s close friend dealt with the situation. Ive and his team were working on multi-touch technology for the MacBook Pro in their spare time. He knew that it could be a game-changer technology. Ive says, “Because Steve is so quick to give an opinion, I don’t show him stuff in front of other people,” Ive recalled. “He might say, ‘This is shit,’ and snuff the idea. I feel that ideas are very fragile, so you have to be tender when they are in development.” Ive demoed the multi-touch idea in a one-on-one meeting. Fortunately, Jobs liked it and said, “This is the future.” No, multitouch came to Apple via an acquisition, and Forstall was the one who first spotted potential there. http://theimagists.com/apples-skankphone-was-the-iphones-ugly-twin-brother/ Ive was obviously "working on" a multitouch product, but he is not the "inventor" of the iPhone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardincap Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Really? source? From jobs book: This is how Jonathan Ive, the key designer behind iMac, iPod, iPhone and iPad and Steve’s close friend dealt with the situation. Ive and his team were working on multi-touch technology for the MacBook Pro in their spare time. He knew that it could be a game-changer technology. Ive says, “Because Steve is so quick to give an opinion, I don’t show him stuff in front of other people,” Ive recalled. “He might say, ‘This is shit,’ and snuff the idea. I feel that ideas are very fragile, so you have to be tender when they are in development.” Ive demoed the multi-touch idea in a one-on-one meeting. Fortunately, Jobs liked it and said, “This is the future.” No, multitouch came to Apple via an acquisition, and Forstall was the one who first spotted potential there. http://theimagists.com/apples-skankphone-was-the-iphones-ugly-twin-brother/ Ive was obviously "working on" a multitouch product, but he is not the "inventor" of the iPhone. Duncan Kerr's boss is... Ive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Really? source? From jobs book: This is how Jonathan Ive, the key designer behind iMac, iPod, iPhone and iPad and Steve’s close friend dealt with the situation. Ive and his team were working on multi-touch technology for the MacBook Pro in their spare time. He knew that it could be a game-changer technology. Ive says, “Because Steve is so quick to give an opinion, I don’t show him stuff in front of other people,” Ive recalled. “He might say, ‘This is shit,’ and snuff the idea. I feel that ideas are very fragile, so you have to be tender when they are in development.” Ive demoed the multi-touch idea in a one-on-one meeting. Fortunately, Jobs liked it and said, “This is the future.” No, multitouch came to Apple via an acquisition, and Forstall was the one who first spotted potential there. http://theimagists.com/apples-skankphone-was-the-iphones-ugly-twin-brother/ Ive was obviously "working on" a multitouch product, but he is not the "inventor" of the iPhone. And this company they bought, did it - have all the pieces that Apple for multi touch in the iPhone? - drivers for the capacitive multi touch screens? - the UI widgets that had the touch and multi touch gestures and the other interactions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Of course they did not have all of those elements. What I want you to grasp is that in a complex product like this, there are a ton of teams and individuals that are working to put together the final product. The original idea for the tablet was Steve's, the original prototype was Fadell's, the core software that is the critical layer is Forstall's work, the final form factor is Ive's creation. As the industrial design head, part of his job is to build out the prototype. That still doesn't make it Ive's invention any more than it is Forstall's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Today Apple will earn in the neighbourhood of $40 billion dollars. They have $130 billion in net cash sitting on their balance sheet. They have the best smartphone, tablet, pc's and ecosystem. They own the global wealthy consumer segment. They are ideally positioned in mobile which will grow for many more years. Yes, they have strong competitors.... And this will NEVER change as there are many great companies out there. But all some people see are problems. Some companies earn nothing, have no money in the bank. But they MIGHT do well in the future and so the market bids their shares up to very high levels. Apple is the real deal. Great company, great business, very profitable and most importantly with very good future prospects. Yes today it is a great company and its not expensive, thats the reason it makes up for a good amount of my portfolio. But when you want to hold a stock for 10 years you have to have a vision of what the company will look like in the future and if it can still generate great amounts of cash. Nobody can reinvent such a great technology product like the iphone, nobody has ever and nobody will repeat it in the next 20 years. You can ask why i am so certain about that, and i simply reply math/statistics. And a company doomed to reinvent the wheel ever and ever is setup for failure. The Apple of today is 6 years old for me, that is a rather short time when you compare it to KO,MCD,PG,IBM or even MSFT. Old things have a tendency to stay. ( I think that comes from Talib :) ) When they live through their next big crisis and have successfully transformed their current business, than they are probably setup for a livelong investment. (But i don`t want to be in the stock while that transformation happens.) But hey, forget about everything i wrote and enjoy the ride as long as it lasts. @valueInf,Palantir Don`t produce so much noise, it simply doesn`t matter who invented what. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted December 1, 2013 Share Posted December 1, 2013 Of course they did not have all of those elements. What I want you to grasp is that in a complex product like this, there are a ton of teams and individuals that are working to put together the final product. The original idea for the tablet was Steve's, the original prototype was Fadell's, the core software that is the critical layer is Forstall's work, the final form factor is Ive's creation. As the industrial design head, part of his job is to build out the prototype. That still doesn't make it Ive's invention any more than it is Forstall's. Dude, there was no "invention", there was only design and development. And while many people played a role, they didn't play and equal role, especially when it comes to the critical elements that made the iPhone the stunning success it is. What you don't grasp is that Jobs has left behind the team and the culture that created all those products. That no other company in the world has. Which is why you see idiotic products like Glass and Gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted December 2, 2013 Share Posted December 2, 2013 Apple Inc. AAPL -0.87% has acquired social-media analytics firm Topsy Labs Inc. for more than $200 million, according to people familiar with the matter. Topsy specializes in data from Twitter, TWTR -1.90% offering tools to analyze tweets and other information to help track consumer sentiment. Its tools can decipher how often a specific term is tweeted, find an influential person on a specific subject, or measure the exposure of an event or campaign. The company is one of a handful of Twitter's partners who have access to the so-called "firehose"—the full stream of all tweets posted to the service. Topsy competes with DataSift Inc. and Gnip Inc. to analyze and resell this data to customers. An Apple spokeswoman confirmed the deal but wouldn't comment further. "Apple buys smaller technology companies from time to time, and we generally do not discuss our purpose or plans," she said without elaborating further. Apple Taps Into Twitter, Buying Social Analytics Firm Topsy http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304854804579234450633315742?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpRaider Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 It's going to be an AAPL x-mas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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