Palantir Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Yeah I agree with that - I think it will drive more sales. I think it's the right strategy, it's hard to be superpremium in this field, just being regular premium will be very profitable. That being said, hopefully they will not go too low. They know what they are doing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimm_never_sleeps Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 this seems to be a temporary promotion by wal-mart to clear inventory. the real issue is that appl is giving up the entire low and mid range to Android. I am talking the $150-$350 phone market globally, which is where most of the unit growth is coming from. apple has chosen not to have an offering there. and now they have a legit threat in galaxy and note at the high end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 this seems to be a temporary promotion by wal-mart to clear inventory. the real issue is that appl is giving up the entire low and mid range to Android. I am talking the $150-$350 phone market globally, which is where most of the unit growth is coming from. apple has chosen not to have an offering there. and now they have a legit threat in galaxy and note at the high end. Yeah I agree with that - I think it will drive more sales. I think it's the right strategy, it's hard to be superpremium in this field, just being regular premium will be very profitable. That being said, hopefully they will not go too low. They know what they are doing though. I just bought a brand new 16GB black iPhone 5 through Telus for completely free on renewal of my 3-year contract! So either Telus is subsidizing the cost, or Apple is going to eat it on the net margin side. They were offering that deal at $79 after a special $100 Christmas for the iPhone 5, but I hardballed them into nothing, as well as unlimited text, incoming calls and national long-distance. Very nice phone...just wish the screen was at least another 0.5" bigger. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libor.plus1 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 People always want that extra half inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valueinvesting101 Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 That what she said ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubuy2wron Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 this seems to be a temporary promotion by wal-mart to clear inventory. the real issue is that appl is giving up the entire low and mid range to Android. I am talking the $150-$350 phone market globally, which is where most of the unit growth is coming from. apple has chosen not to have an offering there. and now they have a legit threat in galaxy and note at the high end. Yeah I agree with that - I think it will drive more sales. I think it's the right strategy, it's hard to be superpremium in this field, just being regular premium will be very profitable. That being said, hopefully they will not go too low. They know what they are doing though. I just bought a brand new 16GB black iPhone 5 through Telus for completely free on renewal of my 3-year contract! So either Telus is subsidizing the cost, or Apple is going to eat it on the net margin side. They were offering that deal at $79 after a special $100 Christmas for the iPhone 5, but I hardballed them into nothing, as well as unlimited text, incoming calls and national long-distance. Very nice phone...just wish the screen was at least another 0.5" bigger. Cheers! You negotiated ...played hard ball with the PHONE COMPANY on a renewal and one phone. MY goodness you be the man my friend did you offer them a recommendation of Telus on Corner of Berkshire. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hellsten Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Bruce Greenwald on Apple (and Amazon): http://www.gurufocus.com/news/204202/professor-greenwald-thinks-apple-can-go-sonys-or-nokias-way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
libor.plus1 Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 http://www.morningstar.com/Cover/videoCenter.aspx?id=339575 he was saying the same thing back in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardincap Posted January 7, 2013 Share Posted January 7, 2013 Bruce Greenwald on Apple (and Amazon): http://www.gurufocus.com/news/204202/professor-greenwald-thinks-apple-can-go-sonys-or-nokias-way comparing apple to sony or nokia proves that Greenwald doesn't know what he's talking about, and hasnt even bothered to do some research. Apple is fundamentally a software company; they have a sticky software ecosystem that they monetize through beautiful hardware. Sony and Nokia are hardware companies, just like RIM, and thus had/have no customer stickiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Bruce Greenwald on Apple (and Amazon): http://www.gurufocus.com/news/204202/professor-greenwald-thinks-apple-can-go-sonys-or-nokias-way comparing apple to sony or nokia proves that Greenwald doesn't know what he's talking about, and hasnt even bothered to do some research. Apple is fundamentally a software company; they have a sticky software ecosystem that they monetize through beautiful hardware. Sony and Nokia are hardware companies, just like RIM, and thus had/have no customer stickiness. Hmmm... where have we seen this before? When an hypothesis does not agree with facts, what do you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Yeah, operators are "revolting": http://venturebeat.com/2013/01/10/apple-needs-china-mobile-china-mobile-needs-apple/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyten1 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 hardincap, hmm, i am not sure if i agree with you. (still thinking about this) look at appl vs msft msft's ecosystem argueable is more establish than appl no? i think appl has a higher risk of being hurt by a bad release, because their profit is so dependent on the next big thing. If the next thing they release bombs, their profitability takes a huge hit, which will make the valuation questionable. you can also compare appl to nintendo i just think appl's has more of the characteristic of a hits driven company vs msft (getting less so if/when their ecosystem gets more entrench etc). msft's revenue/profit is not so dependent of the next big thing (more diversified to put it simply). I guess what i am getting at is appl on a scale vs msft. appl is closer to sony/nintendo/rim/nok than msft is. how much closer is debateable. now what if msft can sell as many hardware as appl (msft just need a percentage of the PC/pc tablet etc market, not the entire market). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 hardincap, hmm, i am not sure if i agree with you. (still thinking about this) look at appl vs msft msft's ecosystem argueable is more establish than appl no? i think appl has a higher risk of being hurt by a bad release, because their profit is so dependent on the next big thing. If the next thing they release bombs, their profitability takes a huge hit, which will make the valuation questionable. you can also compare appl to nintendo i just think appl's has more of the characteristic of a hits driven company vs msft (getting less so if/when their ecosystem gets more entrench etc). msft's revenue/profit is not so dependent of the next big thing (more diversified to put it simply). I guess what i am getting at is appl on a scale vs msft. appl is closer to sony/nintendo/rim/nok than msft is. how much closer is debateable. now what if msft can sell as many hardware as appl (msft just need a percentage of the PC/pc tablet etc market, not the entire market). Apparently the iPhone 5 has been a bomb. Lets see how they do this quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyten1 Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 valueInv has iphone 5 been a bomb? i guess its all relative EDIT: I am not saying apple will become nok or rimm. All i am saying is at this point in time AAPL on a scale is closer to nok/rimm vs a company like MSFT. The risk is higher than msft, that appl can become a nok/rimm. I am not saying they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 hardincap, hmm, i am not sure if i agree with you. (still thinking about this) look at appl vs msft msft's ecosystem argueable is more establish than appl no? i think appl has a higher risk of being hurt by a bad release, because their profit is so dependent on the next big thing. If the next thing they release bombs, their profitability takes a huge hit, which will make the valuation questionable. you can also compare appl to nintendo i just think appl's has more of the characteristic of a hits driven company vs msft (getting less so if/when their ecosystem gets more entrench etc). msft's revenue/profit is not so dependent of the next big thing (more diversified to put it simply). I guess what i am getting at is appl on a scale vs msft. appl is closer to sony/nintendo/rim/nok than msft is. how much closer is debateable. now what if msft can sell as many hardware as appl (msft just need a percentage of the PC/pc tablet etc market, not the entire market). Apparently the iPhone 5 has been a bomb. Lets see how they do this quarter. I thought that they've sold 27M of the iPhone 5's. Not a bomb. Very nice, fast phone. The size and lightness of the phone does not bother me at all, unlike what many other buyers have said. I think this is the best case design since the iPhone 3 came out. Much nicer than the iPhone 4 design. I wish the screen was a bit bigger, but at least the retina display makes it easier on my eyes when reading. There is definitely room for improvement with the iPhones though, as their competitors are in overdrive chasing them down. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txlaw Posted January 10, 2013 Share Posted January 10, 2013 Bruce Greenwald on Apple (and Amazon): http://www.gurufocus.com/news/204202/professor-greenwald-thinks-apple-can-go-sonys-or-nokias-way I watched these videos. Greenwald doesn't really seem to know what he's talking about, unfortunately. For example, he mentioned that Amazon decided to go after Oracle and IBM and Google and so they released their AWS services. But Amazon was one of the first movers in IaaS computing! I'm not sure how much homework he has done on these names he's opining on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Jobs is alive and well at Apple: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/10/us-apple-iphone-idUSBRE9091CR20130110 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardincap Posted January 12, 2013 Share Posted January 12, 2013 Jobs is alive and well at Apple: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/10/us-apple-iphone-idUSBRE9091CR20130110 apple retracted the statement - cheaper iphone (or iphone mini, whatever you want to call it) looks like its coming. i am all for it. $600 phones dont work in china and other emerging markets, and having <10% and declining marketshare is a dangerous position to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bargainman Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Jobs is alive and well at Apple: Yes of course he is! didn't you all see this??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Jobs is alive and well at Apple: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/10/us-apple-iphone-idUSBRE9091CR20130110 apple retracted the statement - cheaper iphone (or iphone mini, whatever you want to call it) looks like its coming. i am all for it. $600 phones dont work in china and other emerging markets, and having <10% and declining marketshare is a dangerous position to be in. Its a lot more than $600: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2013/01/09/the-iphones-global-price-expensive/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAL9000 Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Apple Cuts Orders for iPhone Parts http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323596204578240440691304344-lMyQjAxMTAzMDEwMzExNDMyWj.html Business Insider Summary in case that link stops working: http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-demand-for-the-iphone-is-weak-2013-1?op=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardincap Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Apple Cuts Orders for iPhone Parts http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323596204578240440691304344-lMyQjAxMTAzMDEwMzExNDMyWj.html Business Insider Summary in case that link stops working: http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-demand-for-the-iphone-is-weak-2013-1?op=1 same thing was reported last year, just before apple blew away analyst estimates. it is being reported that they had originally ordered 65M screens. Did anyone really expect them to sell 65M iPhones? (this quarter is expected to be around 50 which is above analyst estimates of 47) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 Apple Cuts Orders for iPhone Parts http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323596204578240440691304344-lMyQjAxMTAzMDEwMzExNDMyWj.html Business Insider Summary in case that link stops working: http://www.businessinsider.com/wsj-demand-for-the-iphone-is-weak-2013-1?op=1 same thing was reported last year, just before apple blew away analyst estimates. it is being reported that they had originally ordered 65M screens. Did anyone really expect them to sell 65M iPhones? (this quarter is expected to be around 50 which is above analyst estimates of 47) Its hard to say whats going on - the reports are conflicting. On one hand, their marketshare in the US is increasing. Tim Cook also just said that he expects China to overtake US, that would indicate China is doing well too. So the shortfall is coming from Europe,Japan? There has been some major changes in manufacturing that make it hard to compare with previous years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 Apple is trading at $485; it has $120/share in cash. It should earn about $45/share. In the past 4 months it has refreshed most product lines. It looks to me that the market is assuming no further breakthrough innovation from the company. $485 looks like a reasonable entry point to buy a world class company. More importantly, I expect they are not done with breakthrough innovation (TV is one such opportunity)... With earnings coming the end of this month I expect lots of volatility (up or further down). :-) PS: interesting that there has not been more discussion on the name given the size of the fall... perhaps a little Apple fatigue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racemize Posted January 15, 2013 Share Posted January 15, 2013 PS: interesting that there has not been more discussion on the name given the size of the fall... perhaps a little Apple fatigue? I think so. Also, this thread sort of devolved a bit, and most people seem to have strong opinions that don't change that much on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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