rkbabang Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I have a question for the "women and men are exactly the same" crowd. Why aren't there more women criminals? Why do women not commit murder at the same rate that men do? Why don't women kidnap and/or rape children at the same rate that men do? Is this just cultural? Do we raise boys to be violent criminal sexual offenders? Or are women and men different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted August 17, 2017 Author Share Posted August 17, 2017 I have a question for the "women and men are exactly the same" crowd. Why aren't there more women criminals? Why do women not commit murder at the same rate that men do? Why don't women kidnap and/or rape children at the same rate that men do? Is this just cultural? Do we raise boys to be violent criminal sexual offenders? Or are women and men different? Personally, I don't believe that women and men are the same. I don't even believe that men are the same. But I do believe that everybody should be given the same opportunities and not discriminated against (actively or passively) because of whatever group they belong to. Treat people as individuals. In systems where there's existing bias, that can mean actively working to remove that bias. Doing nothing is a choice, and not always a neutral one (women didn't use to be able to vote or enter into contracts--was actively trying to change that wrong because it was "favoring women over men" at the time compared to how things used to be?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I have a question for the "women and men are exactly the same" crowd. Why aren't there more women criminals? Why do women not commit murder at the same rate that men do? Why don't women kidnap and/or rape children at the same rate that men do? Is this just cultural? Do we raise boys to be violent criminal sexual offenders? Or are women and men different? Personally, I don't believe that women and men are the same. I don't even believe that men are the same. But I do believe that everybody should be given the same opportunities and not discriminated against (actively or passively) because of whatever group they belong to. Treat people as individuals. In systems where there's existing bias, that can mean actively working to remove that bias. Doing nothing is a choice, and not always a neutral one (women didn't use to be able to vote or enter into contracts--was actively trying to change that wrong because it was "favoring women over men" at the time compared to how things used to be?). Of course, but if you look at the fact that there are not a lot of women in a certain jobs (coal mining, truck driving, computer programer, etc) and call that a "problem" then you have to find out why, what the differences are, what the reasons for the discrepancy is, and try to fix them. Personally I don't think there is a problem. Women tend to have different interests and choose different careers than men. So what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I have a question for the "women and men are exactly the same" crowd. Why aren't there more women criminals? Why do women not commit murder at the same rate that men do? Why don't women kidnap and/or rape children at the same rate that men do? Is this just cultural? Do we raise boys to be violent criminal sexual offenders? Or are women and men different? Personally, I don't believe that women and men are the same. I don't even believe that men are the same. But I do believe that everybody should be given the same opportunities and not discriminated against (actively or passively) because of whatever group they belong to. Treat people as individuals. In systems where there's existing bias, that can mean actively working to remove that bias. Doing nothing is a choice, and not always a neutral one (women didn't use to be able to vote or enter into contracts--was actively trying to change that wrong because it was "favoring women over men" at the time compared to how things used to be?). Of course, but if you look at the fact that there are not a lot of women in a certain jobs (coal mining, truck driving, computer programer, etc) and call that a "problem" then you have to find out why, what the differences are, what the reasons for the discrepancy is, and try to fix them. Personally I don't think there is a problem. Women tend to have different interests and choose different careers than men. So what? rkbabang, unfortunately, there are many people who don't even accept the biological differences as a fact and such conversations are non-starters. I do, however, relate to those opinions that such conversations can increase gender stereotypes. There are just as many people who read these kinds of population-based scientific results and project them on individual basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 I have a question for the "women and men are exactly the same" crowd. Why aren't there more women criminals? Why do women not commit murder at the same rate that men do? Why don't women kidnap and/or rape children at the same rate that men do? Is this just cultural? Do we raise boys to be violent criminal sexual offenders? Or are women and men different? Personally, I don't believe that women and men are the same. I don't even believe that men are the same. But I do believe that everybody should be given the same opportunities and not discriminated against (actively or passively) because of whatever group they belong to. Treat people as individuals. In systems where there's existing bias, that can mean actively working to remove that bias. Doing nothing is a choice, and not always a neutral one (women didn't use to be able to vote or enter into contracts--was actively trying to change that wrong because it was "favoring women over men" at the time compared to how things used to be?). Of course, but if you look at the fact that there are not a lot of women in a certain jobs (coal mining, truck driving, computer programer, etc) and call that a "problem" then you have to find out why, what the differences are, what the reasons for the discrepancy is, and try to fix them. Personally I don't think there is a problem. Women tend to have different interests and choose different careers than men. So what? rkbabang, unfortunately, there are many people who don't even accept the biological differences as a fact and such conversations are non-starters. I do, however, relate to those opinions that such conversations can increase gender stereotypes. There are just as many people who read these kinds of population-based scientific results and project them on individual basis. Isn't projecting population-based averages onto individuals the thing we should be fighting then? Statistics and probability are two things also not taught in public schools which should be. It should be obvious to everyone that you can't make assumptions about any individual human being based on averages in populations. Demonising anyone who brings up the subject and destroying them both personally and professionally in a public way isn't helping a largely ignorant public understand any of these issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted August 17, 2017 Share Posted August 17, 2017 Can you all move this discussion to the "General Discussion" board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/08/inside-waymos-secret-testing-and-simulation-facilities/537648/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTermView Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 https://skift.com/2017/09/18/google-travel-is-worth-100-billion-even-more-than-priceline/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 https://skift.com/2017/09/18/google-travel-is-worth-100-billion-even-more-than-priceline/ It's pretty incredible when you really sit down and run through what Google owns. Outside of the search+ad everyone knows, you've got Waymo, YouTube, Travel, Cloud(all businesses that by themselves could fetch 50-100B valuations), even the private investing arm, and then a huge pile of cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowAppreciation Posted September 18, 2017 Share Posted September 18, 2017 https://skift.com/2017/09/18/google-travel-is-worth-100-billion-even-more-than-priceline/ I'm confused by this. It's taking a multiple of Priceline, Airbnb, and Expedia's digital ad spend to calculate the worth of GOOG's travel biz, and then comparing this back to PCLN's market cap. But these are different businesses... one is paid search (GOOG), and the other is travel meta-search (Expedia, PCLN). In other words, Google receives a part of Expedia, PCLN, and Airbnb's marketing budget. Yes, this is a big business for Google as they spend a lot to drive traffic/bookings, but to compare this business with PCLN's is not an apples-to-apples comparison... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisch777 Posted September 19, 2017 Share Posted September 19, 2017 Not to mention...just throw a 9x sales ratio on there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardincap Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 one thing google has going for it that is vastly underappreciated imo is that their work culture is very healthy and continues to attract the best and brightest in the valley. I speak from first hand experience as an ex engineering employee and a resident of silicon valley. other tech giants apple, netflix, amazon, uber, ibm, etc dont really come close in terms of ability to attract talent, with the exception of *maybe* facebook. google's application to hire rate last year was .2%! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 one thing google has going for it that is vastly underappreciated imo is that their work culture is very healthy and continues to attract the best and brightest in the valley. I speak from first hand experience as an ex engineering employee and a resident of silicon valley. other tech giants apple, netflix, amazon, uber, ibm, etc dont really come close in terms of ability to attract talent, with the exception of *maybe* facebook. google's application to hire rate last year was .2%! Can you elaborate on the local perception of each companies, and what might make FB the other top magnet for talent right now. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardincap Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 everyone knows google and fb have passed their rocketship phase. the new unicorns uber, airbnb, lyft, etc have been doing a decent job attracting younger talent with pre-ipo stock, but google/fb still comps better than the tech unicorns. its rather common for engineers with 5-10 years exp at g/fb to be making mid 300s in total comp per year. its very hard for startups to match these numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowAppreciation Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 one thing google has going for it that is vastly underappreciated imo is that their work culture is very healthy and continues to attract the best and brightest in the valley. Strongly disagree. My proof is that they hired me... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowAppreciation Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 everyone knows google and fb have passed their rocketship phase. the new unicorns uber, airbnb, lyft, etc have been doing a decent job attracting younger talent with pre-ipo stock, but google/fb still comps better than the tech unicorns. its rather common for engineers with 5-10 years exp at g/fb to be making mid 300s in total comp per year. its very hard for startups to match these numbers yup.. this is pretty accurate. However I will say that most other companies get by using far fewer employees for a given role. For example, at google I could probably not show up for work for a week and no one would notice; there were always plenty of people to fill or cover. Other tech companies run a lot leaner and do more with less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardincap Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 relevant: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/22/technology/artificial-intelligence-experts-salaries.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 Making hardware is hard: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/24/google-pixel-2-bugs-continue-to-bother-users.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTermView Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 This isn't good: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/12/07/california-fires-navigation-apps-like-waze-sent-commuters-into-flames-drivers/930904001/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 This isn't good: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/12/07/california-fires-navigation-apps-like-waze-sent-commuters-into-flames-drivers/930904001/ This isn't good. But it's also a news story that will happen with any natural disaster and any navigation app/device. The journalist disses Waze, but Waze can be adjusted faster than dedicated nav devices like Garmin (remember these?). I somewhat doubt that majority of car-integrated nav apps were adjusted to avoid fire-closed streets either (if they are updated/updatable at all). Edit: BTW, I'm pretty sure there were also situations where Waze redirected traffic in good ways away from fire and standstill traffic. Just not in that article... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregS Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 This isn't good: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/12/07/california-fires-navigation-apps-like-waze-sent-commuters-into-flames-drivers/930904001/ This isn't good. But it's also a news story that will happen with any natural disaster and any navigation app/device. The journalist disses Waze, but Waze can be adjusted faster than dedicated nav devices like Garmin (remember these?). I somewhat doubt that majority of car-integrated nav apps were adjusted to avoid fire-closed streets either (if they are updated/updatable at all). Edit: BTW, I'm pretty sure there were also situations where Waze redirected traffic in good ways away from fire and standstill traffic. Just not in that article... Last winter some routes to Tahoe were closed due to mudslides. Google maps noted the closure and gave an alternate that was much longer but the only realistic route. Apple, on the other hand, redirected to a road that I knew was closed and covered with snow! People have literally died following navigation apps on such routes in the winter. So I guess Google could do better, but they're still better than Apple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 This isn't good: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2017/12/07/california-fires-navigation-apps-like-waze-sent-commuters-into-flames-drivers/930904001/ This isn't good. But it's also a news story that will happen with any natural disaster and any navigation app/device. The journalist disses Waze, but Waze can be adjusted faster than dedicated nav devices like Garmin (remember these?). I somewhat doubt that majority of car-integrated nav apps were adjusted to avoid fire-closed streets either (if they are updated/updatable at all). Edit: BTW, I'm pretty sure there were also situations where Waze redirected traffic in good ways away from fire and standstill traffic. Just not in that article... Last winter some routes to Tahoe were closed due to mudslides. Google maps noted the closure and gave an alternate that was much longer but the only realistic route. Apple, on the other hand, redirected to a road that I knew was closed and covered with snow! People have literally died following navigation apps on such routes in the winter. So I guess Google could do better, but they're still better than Apple... Speaking of Waze (which I love) I noticed today that Waze now has a feature that allows you to ask random strangers (any other Waze users in your area) for help. I'm sure this is usually OK and safe, but I can imagine that there will eventually be that one in a million incident where someone gets raped/mugged/carjacked/kidnapped/murdered/etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted December 20, 2017 Author Share Posted December 20, 2017 Neat piece, goes into the machine vision used by Google Maps to add buildings: https://www.justinobeirne.com/google-maps-moat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted December 21, 2017 Author Share Posted December 21, 2017 https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/21/eric-schmidt-is-stepping-down-as-the-executive-chairman-of-alphabet.html Eric Schmidt will be stepping down as the executive chairman of Alphabet's board of directors and transitioning to technical advisor, the company announced. He will continue to serve on the company's board. Schmidt first joined Google as CEO in 2001, back when the company only had several hundred employees, and become its executive chairman 10 years later. He maintained that role when Google restructured to become Alphabet in 2015. "Larry, Sergey, Sundar and I all believe that the time is right in Alphabet's evolution for this transition," Schmidt said in a statement. The Alphabet structure is working well, and Google and the Other Bets are thriving. In recent years, I've been spending a lot of my time on science and technology issues, and philanthropy, and I plan to expand that work." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 Clever: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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