Guest valueInv Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Really exciting discussion guys. ::) We'll try to be more entertaining for you next time. Maybe pull in Marissa Meyer's design skills? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Really exciting discussion guys. ::) We'll try to be more entertaining for you next time. Maybe pull in Marissa Meyer's design skills? ;) Most of these "I'm Mr. Super-tech expert, I was there, your analysis is invalid"-type discussions arguments are neither entertaining nor informative. One or the other would be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 You guys really think Marissa Mayer is all that? Personally, I'd say Sheryl Sandberg is better.... http://static.ibnlive.in.com/pix/slideshow/06-2012/sheryl-sandberg-facebooks/13-sheryl-sandberg-260612.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardGibbons Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Really exciting discussion guys. ::) You're right. Sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAL9000 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Google Takes Home Half of Worldwide Mobile Internet Ad Revenues http://www.emarketer.com/Article/Google-Takes-Home-Half-of-Worldwide-Mobile-Internet-Ad-Revenues/1009966 That's an even greater share than their traditional internet ad revenues. Looks like their investment in mobile ad products is beginning to pay off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Google Takes Home Half of Worldwide Mobile Internet Ad Revenues http://www.emarketer.com/Article/Google-Takes-Home-Half-of-Worldwide-Mobile-Internet-Ad-Revenues/1009966 That's an even greater share than their traditional internet ad revenues. Looks like their investment in mobile ad products is beginning to pay off. Facebook is growing twice as fast for a product that did not even exist two years ago. Twitter just opened up its ads to all a few months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAL9000 Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Facebook is growing twice as fast for a product that did not even exist two years ago. Twitter just opened up its ads to all a few months ago. You're right - even with Facebook's significant growth, Google still gained overall market share. All the more impressive! Thanks for pointing that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Facebook is growing twice as fast for a product that did not even exist two years ago. Twitter just opened up its ads to all a few months ago. You're right - even with Facebook's significant growth, Google still gained overall market share. All the more impressive! Thanks for pointing that out. That's because many of Facebook's ad products were released just this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Facebook is growing twice as fast for a product that did not even exist two years ago. Twitter just opened up its ads to all a few months ago. You're right - even with Facebook's significant growth, Google still gained overall market share. All the more impressive! Thanks for pointing that out. That's because many of Facebook's ad products were released just this year. Except teenagers are leaving it in droves. :) myspace redux? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Facebook is growing twice as fast for a product that did not even exist two years ago. Twitter just opened up its ads to all a few months ago. You're right - even with Facebook's significant growth, Google still gained overall market share. All the more impressive! Thanks for pointing that out. That's because many of Facebook's ad products were released just this year. Except teenagers are leaving it in droves. :) myspace redux? That would explain why their revenue growth is so high. http://allthingsd.com/20130502/facebooks-declining-user-growth-rate-pictured/ More like "worst capital allocation in history redux" ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Facebook is growing twice as fast for a product that did not even exist two years ago. Twitter just opened up its ads to all a few months ago. You're right - even with Facebook's significant growth, Google still gained overall market share. All the more impressive! Thanks for pointing that out. That's because many of Facebook's ad products were released just this year. Except teenagers are leaving it in droves. :) myspace redux? I remember years ago when myspace was much more popular among teens than FB talking to my teenage niece and she said something along the lines of "Facebook?, oh yeah, that's like myspace for old people". Now of course she's in her 20's, uses facebook, and myspace no longer exists. Unlike myspace, I don't think Facebook ever catered exclusively to teens and unlike myspace I think it can survive just fine without them (picking them up later when they are in their 20's, on their own, and want to keep in touch with old friends and family). myspace's fatal flaw was going after the younger crowd to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Facebook is growing twice as fast for a product that did not even exist two years ago. Twitter just opened up its ads to all a few months ago. You're right - even with Facebook's significant growth, Google still gained overall market share. All the more impressive! Thanks for pointing that out. That's because many of Facebook's ad products were released just this year. Except teenagers are leaving it in droves. :) myspace redux? I remember years ago when myspace was much more popular among teens than FB talking to my teenage niece and she said something along the lines of "Facebook?, oh yeah, that's like myspace for old people". Now of course she's in her 20's, uses facebook, and myspace no longer exists. Unlike myspace, I don't think Facebook ever catered exclusively to teens and unlike myspace I think it can survive just fine without them (picking them up later when they are in their 20's, on their own, and want to keep in touch with old friends and family). myspace's fatal flaw was going after the younger crowd to begin with. FB started out with universities and , IIRC added schools before finally opening up to the general public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I remember years ago when myspace was much more popular among teens than FB talking to my teenage niece and she said something along the lines of "Facebook?, oh yeah, that's like myspace for old people". Now of course she's in her 20's, uses facebook, and myspace no longer exists. Unlike myspace, I don't think Facebook ever catered exclusively to teens and unlike myspace I think it can survive just fine without them (picking them up later when they are in their 20's, on their own, and want to keep in touch with old friends and family). myspace's fatal flaw was going after the younger crowd to begin with. if they leave I doubt they come back. there will be something else. there always is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I remember years ago when myspace was much more popular among teens than FB talking to my teenage niece and she said something along the lines of "Facebook?, oh yeah, that's like myspace for old people". Now of course she's in her 20's, uses facebook, and myspace no longer exists. Unlike myspace, I don't think Facebook ever catered exclusively to teens and unlike myspace I think it can survive just fine without them (picking them up later when they are in their 20's, on their own, and want to keep in touch with old friends and family). myspace's fatal flaw was going after the younger crowd to begin with. if they leave I doubt they come back. there will be something else. there always is. Like Instagram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Myspace is not comparable to FB. FB is far more entrenched in people's life, and is a far better user experience than anything else out there. Instaram and Twitter are niche services, FB is a core service and a platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 http://www.bloomberg.com/video/hollywood-beware-inside-youtube-s-25m-studio-ae6X50lTScmlfP2jvbW_Yw.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Myspace is not comparable to FB. FB is far more entrenched in people's life, and is a far better user experience than anything else out there. Instaram and Twitter are niche services, FB is a core service and a platform. You kinda captured it - FB is a platform that does many, many things. Very different from MySpace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I remember years ago when myspace was much more popular among teens than FB talking to my teenage niece and she said something along the lines of "Facebook?, oh yeah, that's like myspace for old people". Now of course she's in her 20's, uses facebook, and myspace no longer exists. Unlike myspace, I don't think Facebook ever catered exclusively to teens and unlike myspace I think it can survive just fine without them (picking them up later when they are in their 20's, on their own, and want to keep in touch with old friends and family). myspace's fatal flaw was going after the younger crowd to begin with. if they leave I doubt they come back. there will be something else. there always is. Like Instagram? yes the company that was $1b and no revenue. :) bad capital allocation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCitiesCapital Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Myspace is not comparable to FB. FB is far more entrenched in people's life, and is a far better user experience than anything else out there. Instaram and Twitter are niche services, FB is a core service and a platform. I totally disagree with this. I have an account on Facebook and I would have deleted that crap a year ago if there were another popular competing service. The mobile app is crap and is constantly bugging out and it's difficult to do the simplest things like crop a picture. For a company whose user base is largely mobile, having a mobile app that sucks is a huge problem. G+ offers a significantly better mobile platform and significantly better features (auto photo touch up, video chat with multiple participants, more engagement between politicians/businesses/organizations and their followers, better privacy and sharing options, etc. etc. etc). It's far more intuitive and practical in its ability to be integrated into other features of the phone. The only problem with G+ is no one is on it and the desktop design left the experience lacking until recently. To say that Facebook offers a far better user experience than anything else out there sounds like its coming from someone who has hasn't tried much else of the serious competition out there. Get G+ to the critical tipping point of user adoption and Facebook is the new MySpace. There's no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I remember years ago when myspace was much more popular among teens than FB talking to my teenage niece and she said something along the lines of "Facebook?, oh yeah, that's like myspace for old people". Now of course she's in her 20's, uses facebook, and myspace no longer exists. Unlike myspace, I don't think Facebook ever catered exclusively to teens and unlike myspace I think it can survive just fine without them (picking them up later when they are in their 20's, on their own, and want to keep in touch with old friends and family). myspace's fatal flaw was going after the younger crowd to begin with. if they leave I doubt they come back. there will be something else. there always is. Like Instagram? yes the company that was $1b and no revenue. :) bad capital allocation. That's ok, all the teens are there. As you said, it doesn't matter what revenues a company makes, just where the teens are. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Myspace is not comparable to FB. FB is far more entrenched in people's life, and is a far better user experience than anything else out there. Instaram and Twitter are niche services, FB is a core service and a platform. I totally disagree with this. I have an account on Facebook and I would have deleted that crap a year ago if there were another popular competing service. The mobile app is crap and is constantly bugging out and it's difficult to do the simplest things like crop a picture. For a company whose user base is largely mobile, having a mobile app that sucks is a huge problem. G+ offers a significantly better mobile platform and significantly better features (auto photo touch up, video chat with multiple participants, more engagement between politicians/businesses/organizations and their followers, better privacy and sharing options, etc. etc. etc). It's far more intuitive and practical in its ability to be integrated into other features of the phone. The only problem with G+ is no one is on it and the desktop design left the experience lacking until recently. To say that Facebook offers a far better user experience than anything else out there sounds like its coming from someone who has hasn't tried much else of the serious competition out there. Get G+ to the critical tipping point of user adoption and Facebook is the new MySpace. There's no doubt about it. People don't go to social networks for features, they go there to communicate with other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 ^ Exactly. Nobody uses G+. All my friends are on FB, and I can use it to look at photos of hot....never mind. (what it was originally meant for) G+ can't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsAValueTrap Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I actually do read Google+ because some people use it like a blog. I feel that it competes more with Twitter and blog platforms than Facebook. It could be a success but I don't think it will "move the needle". Think of Gmail... it is extremely successful but Adsense advertisers don't care about it because it doesn't drive many clicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoCitiesCapital Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 Myspace is not comparable to FB. FB is far more entrenched in people's life, and is a far better user experience than anything else out there. Instaram and Twitter are niche services, FB is a core service and a platform. I totally disagree with this. I have an account on Facebook and I would have deleted that crap a year ago if there were another popular competing service. The mobile app is crap and is constantly bugging out and it's difficult to do the simplest things like crop a picture. For a company whose user base is largely mobile, having a mobile app that sucks is a huge problem. G+ offers a significantly better mobile platform and significantly better features (auto photo touch up, video chat with multiple participants, more engagement between politicians/businesses/organizations and their followers, better privacy and sharing options, etc. etc. etc). It's far more intuitive and practical in its ability to be integrated into other features of the phone. The only problem with G+ is no one is on it and the desktop design left the experience lacking until recently. To say that Facebook offers a far better user experience than anything else out there sounds like its coming from someone who has hasn't tried much else of the serious competition out there. Get G+ to the critical tipping point of user adoption and Facebook is the new MySpace. There's no doubt about it. People don't go to social networks for features, they go there to communicate with other people. I disagree. Facebook got started with a handful of users and was popular because of its exclusivity, not because it had the most users. Myspace was on top until Facebook got the critical mass of users to bring the new growth strategy of being a real social network. G+ is integrated across most of google's services including YouTube which was already the 3rd largest social platform on the web. The convenience, design, and services are exactly why I'm there and everyone else who uses it. Its still a social platform but I find myself discussing ideas and themes with strangers as opposed to friends (no different than this board). All it takes is enough people to adopt it and it will hit the same critical mass Facebook did that put its growth into hyperdrive and made myspace obsolete in less than two years. I like G+ a lot better, and spend just as much time on it as I do Facebook, with only 2 friends who use it. That should scare the shit out of anyone bullish on facebook. G+ won't be a moneymaker anytime soon, but if it makes it to the top it'll stay there because the services are better than the competition's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmitz Posted June 14, 2013 Share Posted June 14, 2013 I want to turn down the hyperbole just a bit. G+ is much more popular amongst technical circles, for both obvious (lots of people working for google) and non-obvious (facebook dislike, interface issues, signal to noise ratios) reasons. In the last week I have posts from 32 distinct people. This is certainly lower than facebook, but the *quality* of the posts is much, much higher. What I see on G+ is mostly stuff I want to read, and that's not true on Facebook. Facebook has an IM/Twitter mentality, much shorter posts and so forth. G+ occupies the realm between blogs and IM, a little shorter in size than LiveJournal, for example. It is impossible to figure out what will be the facebook killer ahead of time, but there probably will be one. The moat just isn't big enough, and the youngest will switch first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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