Palantir Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 BillG is in an advisory role to Ballmer, he's not involved in the day to day business. Even Steve Ballmer was barely involved in the creation of Windows 8, and BillG is another layer removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcollon Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I have been using Windows 8 on my desktop for just over a week now and have no issues with it. It actually is very easy to use and some of the additions (apps, etc...) are nice and make moving to different areas nice and quick. I'm not sure I would dismiss it so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx1 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I have been using Windows 8 on my desktop for just over a week now and have no issues with it. It actually is very easy to use and some of the additions (apps, etc...) are nice and make moving to different areas nice and quick. I'm not sure I would dismiss it so quickly. I've been using Windows 8 for a few weeks too and I really like it. I took me no more than a few minutes to get over all the issues that were supposed to "confuse" those who upgrade. I've experienced more confusion using a new toaster oven. Overall the OS is simple, intutitive, and very efficient. It got me into a place I'd never expected: wanting to use a touch screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A_Hamilton Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 I just think that Sinofsky was ready to be CEO and the position isn't open, so they told him to leave post finishing Windows 8. I think market reaction is way overblown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petec Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I have been using Windows 8 on my desktop for just over a week now and have no issues with it. It actually is very easy to use and some of the additions (apps, etc...) are nice and make moving to different areas nice and quick. I'm not sure I would dismiss it so quickly. I've been using Windows 8 for a few weeks too and I really like it. I took me no more than a few minutes to get over all the issues that were supposed to "confuse" those who upgrade. I've experienced more confusion using a new toaster oven. Overall the OS is simple, intutitive, and very efficient. It got me into a place I'd never expected: wanting to use a touch screen. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimm_never_sleeps Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 that's just the point. it's fine on touch screens. it's pretty much a hot mess with the old mouse and keyboards. I have been one of msft's biggest boosters and a desktop windows user for years. I bought windows 8 and returned it after a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 ^ They're talking about desktops as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcollon Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Rimm, I have to say I totally disagree with you. It's been very easy to use on a desktop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyten1 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 i don't get all the woopla is about windows 8 being hard to use i have been using windows 8 for months its a joy to use i think i'll enjoy it even more once my touch enable ultrabook arrives. i don't quite understand why people are so confused by the fact that you can do desktop things as well as tablet things ALL in ONE DEVICE, my god that is just heresey, to me that is AWESOME. but somehow people are mad and confused not wonder they are, people have been trying to do tablet things in desktop mode (using touch to navigate windows in desktop mode) at the same time trying to do desktop things in the tablet mode (using mouse to navigate when in tablet mode (not desktop)). I think people will realize the usefulness of windows 8 once more apps are available on the platform, the idea of one device that can do both things will become more obvious. Imagine windows 8 store with all the apps you typically need. someone who is more tablet oriented they will be in the tablet mode most of the time (rarely tap into the desktop app, but can when they need to for the 1 or 2 desktop application they need and use) someone who is more desktop focus will be in the desktop app most of the time but when he or she need the mobility/convenience/easy of use of a tablet they can easily do so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimm_never_sleeps Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Rimm, I have to say I totally disagree with you. It's been very easy to use on a desktop. go over to newegg.com amazon and read the reviews. real users. both places give it 3 out of 5 stars. windows 7 got 4 out of 5 stars at both places. Surface got bad to mediocre reviews. I am surprised they released that product. windows phone 8 is not ready yet either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimm_never_sleeps Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 ^ They're talking about desktops as well... I understand it's usable with a mouse and keyboard. I tried it and prefer windows 7 by far for desktop use. my dad unfortunately installed 8 over 7 and couldn't go back because he lost the old media and product code. he regrets the day he did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyten1 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 folks ever try windows 8 on a LARGE screen I think that one particular area where windows 8 shine, its awesome, the live tile update with info without me having to do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikazo Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 but somehow people are mad and confused not wonder they are, people have been trying to do tablet things in desktop mode (using touch to navigate windows in desktop mode) at the same time trying to do desktop things in the tablet mode (using mouse to navigate when in tablet mode (not desktop)). I think people will realize the usefulness of windows 8 once more apps are available on the platform, the idea of one device that can do both things will become more obvious. I agree with you except for the fact that desktop/tablet mode aren't as clean cut as they could be. Even if you use desktop mode most of the time, you still have to switch to tablet mode, find the right swipe-out menu, go under Settings (of all places!) just to shut down your PC. This is how it was in the beta, I'm not sure if it's changed since then. It would be great though if you could use desktop mode without ever having to touch tablet mode and vice versa. Tying the two together is what is creating all the confusion and unintuitiveness (is that a word?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyten1 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 mikazo, i hear ya, and agree, by no means is windows 8 perfect or without its flaws. hy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hellsten Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Rimm, I have to say I totally disagree with you. It's been very easy to use on a desktop. go over to newegg.com amazon and read the reviews. real users. both places give it 3 out of 5 stars. windows 7 got 4 out of 5 stars at both places. Surface got bad to mediocre reviews. I am surprised they released that product. windows phone 8 is not ready yet either. A completely unrelated fact is that OSX Mountain Lion has a 3.5 rating in Apple's AppStore: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-mountain-lion/id537386512?mt=12 To me all the new features in Mountain Lion were annoyances. OSX and iOS both have many usability issues that should be simple to fix. The main difference compared to MSFT is that I don't hear people complaining over these issues… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCG Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 Rimm, I have to say I totally disagree with you. It's been very easy to use on a desktop. go over to newegg.com amazon and read the reviews. real users. both places give it 3 out of 5 stars. windows 7 got 4 out of 5 stars at both places. Surface got bad to mediocre reviews. I am surprised they released that product. windows phone 8 is not ready yet either. A completely unrelated fact is that OSX Mountain Lion has a 3.5 rating in Apple's AppStore: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-mountain-lion/id537386512?mt=12 To me all the new features in Mountain Lion were annoyances. OSX and iOS both have many usability issues that should be simple to fix. The main difference compared to MSFT is that I don't hear people complaining over these issues… The main complaints people have with Mountain Lion is that there just aren't many noticable differences. Then again, they're only charging around $19 for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimm_never_sleeps Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-8-sales-well-below-projections-plenty-blame-go-around?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCG Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-8-sales-well-below-projections-plenty-blame-go-around?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Blaming PC manufacturers is weak. It has nothing to do with PC's. It has to do with the fact that the majority of Windows' sales are for businesses, and businesses have little reason to upgrade from Windows 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I don't think it's a surprise even to Microsoft. From what I've been reading, they don't expect significant uptake from enterprises for Win8. I'm very happy with W7, and I think many are, and I think MSFT is targeting the guys who are still on WinXP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimm_never_sleeps Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 not really. businesses are slow to upgrade and were never going to be counted on this early anyway. what he is saying is that windows 8 has been poorly executed product in so many ways by microsoft. it's not been a good product realization. nor has windows phone been. surface is an embarrassment (see what hp says about it) and should never have been released in it's current form. surface also alienates Msft biggest customers. The problem for msft is they are trying to wring ever more revenue out of products that are mature and don't really need fixing---windows and office. they need a true Mobile OS for phones and tablets, instead of a half baked FrankenOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 You are bizarrely negative. Most people I know who've used these products (Win8, WP8) like them a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txlaw Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 I have a friend who works at MSFT and who was visiting a week or two ago. He let me play with his Surface RT device and also basically demo'ed it for me. I was actually pleasantly surprised. I have hated the live tile UI for Win phones, but it makes a lot of sense for a tablet/computer. There are a lot weird kinks to work out , though. The fact that you can't open up Office docs in both Metro and the normal desktop mode is really odd. Also, there are things that make no sense unless you have used Win Phone. Their search function is also very confusing. They're clearly not as competent as GOOG, but they're making it so that all apps/services can share info with MSFT as middle man. Very interesting to physically see a manifestation of one of their new business models. I could definitely see myself getting a Win 8 (not Win RT) device in the future -- a convertible ultrabook, though, not Surface. But getting a new computer is way down on the list for me. For me, discretionary tech spending will be devoted to a new phone and, after that, a smaller tablet (a retina screen iPad Mini would have been perfect). I suspect that is the case for a lot of other folks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rimm_never_sleeps Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 You are bizarrely negative. Most people I know who've used these products (Win8, WP8) like them a lot. perhaps they are bizarrely positive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thoughtful and intelligent article: So what will tomorrow's Microsoft look like? http://www.zdnet.com/so-what-will-tomorrows-microsoft-look-like-7000007502/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest valueInv Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Jakob Neilsen's UI testing of Windows 8: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/windows-8.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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