nwoodman Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Interesting changes being entertained for the Australian Tax Code "The nine-person working group, set up by Mr Swan after the tax summit, is examining a proposal known as Allowance for Corporate Equity, which would apply no tax to the portion of corporate profits necessary to get a reasonable return on equity. Most companies - especially manufacturers - fail to meet that hurdle and would pay no corporate tax." http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/business-tax-could-be-cut-to-nothing/2382561.aspx The usual commentators are starting to work themselves into a lather http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/article/banks-super-profits-tax-australia-gillard-governme-pd20111207-par9x?opendocument&emcontent_gottliebsen&src=msp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddballstocks Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 This is big, I wish other countries would consider this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabbitisrich Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Sounds like a weird subsidy for inefficient and/or cyclical businesses. Maybe a low sustainable rate of return is a sign that less money should head in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwoodman Posted December 12, 2011 Author Share Posted December 12, 2011 It is an interesting concept. I haven't done a lot of reading on it yet but there are some interesting papers available off the internet http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2006/wp06259.pdf "the idea of an ACE is to address this difference in the treatment of debt and equity by allowing firms to deduct a notional interest rate on their equity as well. Specifically, the ACE or the notional return is defined as the product of the end of last year’s equity stock, Et-1, with a notional interest rate iˆ . The notional interest rate should be defined as the risk free nominal interest rate because the tax advantages are certain. It could be approximated by the rate on government bonds." The author goes on to list some of the advantages of ACE: Most obviously, the ACE system ensures neutrality for financing choices. Firms will thus be indifferent between debt and equity finance, at least regarding the corporate tax implications. More generally, the ACE system is neutral to investment. Therefore no tax is charged on marginal projects, as for such projects the notional return will exactly match the pre-tax profits. Hence any investment that would be worthwhile in the absence of tax remains worthwhile when taxed. The method of tax depreciation is irrelevant under an ACE system. Any increase in depreciation in early years, will reduce the stock of equity and hence the ACE in later years, which exactly offsets in net present value terms any benefit from earlier depreciation The system is also unaffected by inflation. Any increase in monetary profits that is due to inflation will be offset by a higher notional return, as the notional interest rate will also be higher as a result of inflation. Indexation is therefore unnecessary. The ACE thus achieves far more than just equal treatment of debt and equity finance, and from the list of properties above, it would appear to be such a great system, that it is a puzzle as to why not more countries have implemented it. There must clearly also be some drawbacks, and the following are among the main ones: Because of the narrower tax base, a higher tax rate needs to be set if the same amount of revenue is to be collected. This could be harmful in the presence of tax competition for mobile economic rents. There may be doubts as to whether other countries will accept corporate tax payments under an ACE system as a basis for double tax relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twacowfca Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 It's an anti productive change that is proposed. Under the proposal, the most productive companies will be taxed at a relatively higher rate. Thus, investment will be curtailed in those fields that contribute the most to the progress of society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwoodman Posted December 12, 2011 Author Share Posted December 12, 2011 It's an anti productive change that is proposed. Under the proposal, the most productive companies will be taxed at a relatively higher rate. Thus, investment will be curtailed in those fields that contribute the most to the progress of society. You may well be right, however in the Australian context it might help to reduce the hollowing out of the economy. At the moment it is all house and holes (banks and mining). The ROE's especially in the banking sector are abnormally high due to the government providing a backstop. In fact most high ROE's in Australia are either result of natural endowment or anomalies such as government implied guarantees that are gimmees. Anyway, the current countries that have partly implemented the policy are hardly banner economies at the moment ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oddballstocks Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 It's an anti productive change that is proposed. Under the proposal, the most productive companies will be taxed at a relatively higher rate. Thus, investment will be curtailed in those fields that contribute the most to the progress of society. The flip side is currently a company that can't make their cost of equity because of labor costs would leave the country and look for a location with cheaper labor. Under this proposal it might remain possible for those companies to remain which would help keep up employment. I think capital will always flow to high return companies regardless of the tax situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmitz Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 I haven't actually read about this yet, but while interesting in a theoretical sense, this feels like a loophole that someone could fly a fleet of 747s through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twacowfca Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 It's an anti productive change that is proposed. Under the proposal, the most productive companies will be taxed at a relatively higher rate. Thus, investment will be curtailed in those fields that contribute the most to the progress of society. The flip side is currently a company that can't make their cost of equity because of labor costs would leave the country and look for a location with cheaper labor. Under this proposal it might remain possible for those companies to remain which would help keep up employment. I think capital will always flow to high return companies regardless of the tax situation. Yes, short of confiscatory rates, but the flow to the most productive uses will be retarded nonetheless. When there are high returns in seemingly nonproductive uses, distortions are almost always caused by government supported policy, monopolies, oligopolies, occupational licensure, and regulations that have unintended consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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