Sportgamma Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Fiat SpA (F) Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne will not attend the International Auto Show in Frankfurt, Europe’s biggest auto event, because of “unforeseen business commitments,” the automaker said. This marks the first time in recent years that Marchionne, 61, will not attend a major car show in the region. Chairman John Elkann will also not be in Frankfurt, Fiat said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-09/fiat-chief-skips-frankfurt-show-on-unforeseen-commitments.html Do I smell negotiations/dealmaking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaceliacapital Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 They went for lunch together yesterday, had too much lobster and are now both sick in bed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hellsten Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 They went for lunch together yesterday, had too much lobster and are now both sick in bed.. Good news… Looks like Berlusconi and his hookers weren't involved, because FIATY is up ~5% today. A good day for Italy. Even TI is up 25%. The stars are aligning. This will be a good year :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plato1976 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 They better reach a deal asap - both sides don't want to wait for too long; I think we have 30% very easy upside when the merge is clear They went for lunch together yesterday, had too much lobster and are now both sick in bed.. Good news… Looks like Berlusconi and his hookers weren't involved, because FIATY is up ~5% today. A good day for Italy. Even TI is up 25%. The stars are aligning. This will be a good year :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324591204579037172309407990.html?mod=WSJ_hps_LEFTTopStories Gianni Agnelli, the Godfather of Style The Italian industrialist who ran Fiat during the jet-set age was one of the most stylish men of the 20th century. Many have copied his casually inventive look, but his elegance remains inimitable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brker_guy Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130912/OEM/130919921/fiat-may-have-to-pay-top-dollar-to-avoid-chrysler-ipo-report-says# A retiree health care trust will force Chrysler Group to go public unless parent Fiat S.p.A. agrees to pay top dollar -- more than $5 billion -- for the trust's stake in the automaker, several people familiar with the matter said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324576304579073103017763932.html?mod=WSJ_business_whatsNews Chrysler This Month Could Begin Process to Go Public UAW Retiree Trust With 41% Stake Wants Auto Maker to List Shares . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted September 14, 2013 Author Share Posted September 14, 2013 how can the UAW go public with the shares when Fiat has the option to buy them at a contractually agreed upon price... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olmsted Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 The IPO wouldn't be their whole position. Fiat has options to buy something like 16% of Chrysler, less than half the UAW VEBA's stake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/marchionne-still-low-balling-chrysler/ Marchionne Still Low-Balling Chrysler ... Fiat’s offers so far are valuing VEBA’s stake at about $2.5 billion. It could afford a more realistic price of $5 billion or more – which would still make its acquisition of Chrysler an overall bargain. Concerns about overleverage could be dealt with by raising fresh capital — either by issuing new shares or, possibly, by spinning off Ferrari. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay21 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Very good presentation from Fiat on Maseratti: http://www.fiatspa.com/it-IT/investor_relations/investors/presentazioni/FiatDocuments/2013/MainFirst_Auto_IAA_Investor_and_Analyst_Conference_Sep_10_2013.pdf We should be seeing substantial improvement this year and next: http://europe.autonews.com/article/20130828/ANE/130829917/maserati-car-orders-almost-triple-on-new-models#axzz2f6hx3idV "Fiat Group's Maserati brand received about 17,000 orders worldwide in the year to end-July, nearly triple the amount sold last year as new models started to attract buyers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaceliacapital Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Maserati is indeed doing very very well :) Comment from Morningstar Folks on Chrysler IPO: Analyst Note | Sep 16 2013 | Richard Hilgert In our opinion, media reports about a Chrysler initial public offering of the United Auto Workers VEBA trust shares are a matter of brinkmanship. We were surprised to see the UAW use the media this soon in the negotiation process with Fiat FIATY, a posturing tactic it is well known for in the Detroit media. Our discounted cash flow model assumes that an agreement on the VEBA stake will be reached by the middle of 2014. We factor in about $4.2 billion, or EUR 3.2 billion, in cash and debt from Fiat to the voluntary employees' beneficiary association to complete the transaction. A couple of hundred million euros in either direction would have a minimal impact on our EUR 14 fair value estimate. The UAW is pressed to maximize the value of Chrysler to fund its retiree health-care account, which now has sole management of the trust, a growing liability as more Chrysler workers retire and health-care costs rise. Fiat has the obvious incentive to minimize the price it pays for the Chrysler stake due to losses in its EMEA region, an already stretched balance sheet, and substantial investment plans to renew an aging model lineup in Europe. In our opinion, the price sought by the UAW VEBA is too high. According to media reports, the UAW VEBA trust is demanding that Fiat pay $5.0 billion for the stake or it will direct Chrysler to sell its stock in an IPO. This means that the UAW believes the IPO will gross more than $5.0 billion, so that after investment banking fees, the net proceeds realized will be equal to or more than the $5.0 billion price it wants for the 41.5% Chrysler stake. This values the company at an enterprise value/EBITDA multiple of 4.5 times our estimated 2013 EBITDA. We think a multiple of around 4.0 times is more reasonable and results in a $2.8 billion difference in the equity value ($12.9 billion at 4.5 times versus $10.1 billion at 4.0 times). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-17/marchionne-prepares-final-hand-in-chrysler-merger-game.html Marchionne Prepares Final Hand in Chrysler Merger Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaceliacapital Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 If all else fails, Marchionne still has a standing agreement to pay about $6 billion for the stake. Should the IPO market point to a higher value than that, he could exercise his option to buy at the fixed price. If investors indicate the shares are worth less than that, Marchionne would only need to offer more than the market valuation to take control. Marchionne, who said last week that he’s looking to pay less than $5 billion for the holding, expects the market to apply a minority discount on the stake, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the discussions are private. A representative of the Italian carmaker declined to comment. Matt Wood, a spokesman for the Chrysler Veba, didn’t respond to a voice message or e-mail. So A) They negotiate a price privately < 6 bn B) They do the IPO B1) Investors do not apply a minority discount = the stake is bought for 6 bn B2) Investors do apply a minority discount ==> arbritagers come in and buy at the discount because they know of the implied call that Marchionna has + his desire to buy the stake? => stake is bought for 6 bn What do you guys think of this IPO strategy?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaceliacapital Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Marchionne Said to Hire Obama Car Czar Bloom for Chrysler Advice 2013-09-20 01:33:37.695 GMT By Elisa Martinuzzi, Jeffrey McCracken and Jeff Green Sept. 20 (Bloomberg) -- Fiat SpA Chief Executive Officer Sergio Marchionne hired Ron Bloom, who helped run President Barack Obama’s auto-industry team, to advise the carmaker on buying the rest of Chrysler Group LLC, a person familiar with the matter said. Bloom, now a Lazard Ltd. vice chairman, will assist the Fiat CEO in trying to strike a deal with the United Auto Workers’ retiree health-care trust, the only other shareholder in Chrysler, said the person, who asked not to be identified because the matter is private. Marchionne needs an agreement to complete his takeover of the U.S. auto manufacturer. At the same time that he seeks concessions on behalf of the Fiat boss, Bloom is advising Detroit retirees fighting benefit cuts in the city’s $18 billion bankruptcy. The unrelated roles mean Bloom, 58, will be defending worker benefits in Detroit while trying to trim them at Chrysler. He’s had experience in both arenas. The Lazard banker with a Harvard Business School degree worked with corporate clients on hundreds of bankruptcies and also spent 13 years advising the United Steelworkers union president. Judi Mackey, a Lazard spokesman, confirmed the Detroit role. She declined to comment on the Fiat position. Bloom’s new mandates reflect his longstanding ties to the auto industry and place him on opposite sides of the table from officials he worked with in an earlier era. Auto Bailout The Detroit bankruptcy role pits Bloom against Detroit Emergency Manager Kevyn Orr, one of the lawyers for Chrysler and Marchionne when Bloom helped lead the $80 billion bailout that saved General Motors Co. and Chrysler in 2009. Andrew Yearley, who negotiated opposite Bloom for the UAW during the Chrysler bankruptcy, now will be his partner in Detroit. Bloom and Yearley will provide financial advice to the committee representing Detroit retirees in the bankruptcy case. At Fiat, Marchionne, 61, has spent the past four years seeking to unify the companies so they can better compete with Toyota Motor Corp., GM and Volkswagen AG. A fully integrated automaker would feature the mass-market Fiat, Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge brands, along with high-end Maserati and Ferrari cars. Marchionne first must reach a deal that resolves a valuation dispute with the trust, known as a voluntary employee beneficiary association. The U.S. carmaker may file initial public offering documents this week with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission to list a 16.6 percent stake. The trust, which owns 41.5 percent of Chrysler, has the legal right to initiate the sale under the terms of its holding. Treasury Deal Bloom worked closely with Marchionne in 2009 when the Fiat CEO negotiated with the U.S. Treasury to acquire a controlling stake in Auburn Hills, Michigan-based Chrysler. A representative at Turin, Italy-based Fiat declined to comment. Bloom has been working with Marchionne for months and is helping him understand the priorities of the UAW and the health- care trust, the person said. Because of his longstanding ties to labor, Bloom has also served as a backdoor channel to the UAW, the person said. Fiat currently owns 58.5 percent of Chrysler. It started accumulating the stock in 2009, building on an initial 20 percent holding received as part of a government-backed bailout of the U.S. carmaker, which was losing as much as $100 million a day at the time. The trust received its stake as part of the rescue package. Market Value Marchionne’s ultimate goal is to use the IPO process to set a market value for the trust’s holding and force the labor group back to the bargaining table, people familiar with the matter said earlier this month. The trust has been holding out on selling its Chrysler stake, seeking at least $1 billion more than Fiat wants to pay. The two sides are in court over the value of the initial shares that Fiat has options to buy. In Detroit, Bloom will need to argue against trimming benefits. The pensioners have said the Michigan Constitution protects the unfunded benefits from proposed cuts of as much as 90 percent in the $18 billion bankruptcy. Orr and his boss, Michigan Governor Rick Snyder, have countered that under U.S. bankruptcy law the police, fire and city retirees are unsecured creditors, like bondholders, and aren’t exempt from potential cuts. Bill Nowling, a spokesman for Orr, didn’t immediately respond to an e-mail seeking comment. Bloom rejoined Lazard in February 2012 after resigning in August 2011 from a White House post advising Obama on manufacturing policy. Orr, 55, who worked on the Chrysler restructuring, left the law firm Jones Day in March to take the job overseeing Snyder’s takeover of Detroit. Growing Industry The industry bailout that Bloom helped lead and Orr advised on has produced a U.S. auto industry with sales headed for a fifth straight year of annual increases. Chrysler has reported 41 straight months of gains, and GM has said it expects a modest improvement over its $6.19 billion in earnings in 2012 as it heads for its fourth consecutive annual profit. Next year, U.S. auto sales are projected to exceed 16 million for the first time since 2007. Bloom became Obama’s top manufacturing adviser after the auto bailouts. Before joining the bailout team in 2009, Bloom was an adviser to the United Steelworkers union and a manufacturing specialist at Hamilton, Bermuda-based Lazard. Defending Pensions During the auto bailouts, Bloom argued that pensions for UAW members deserved protection even as bondholders and banks faced cuts because the workers were necessary to build cars and trucks once the companies exited court protection. A bankruptcy judge supported that position. Detroit’s retired public workers will be represented by nine people, including at least two union officials, on a panel that may negotiate with the city, a U.S. trustee monitoring the bankruptcy decided last month. Orr said in a July interview that a retiree committee is needed because, unlike union members or bond investors, the pensioners don’t have a strong organization backing them. Detroit retirees joined unions earlier this month in claiming the bankruptcy law that lets municipalities seek court protection from creditors violates the U.S. Constitution. The groups, which want the bankruptcy case thrown out in a hearing next month, also point to a line in the Michigan Constitution that says public-worker pensions are a contractual right that cannot be undone. The retirees argue that Chapter 9 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code can’t trump a state constitution. The groups asked U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Steven Rhodes to find either that the bankruptcy filing doesn’t meet the tests set out in Chapter 9 or that Chapter 9 itself violates the U.S. Constitution because it interferes with Michigan’s sovereignty. Bankruptcy Judges In business cases, where Orr has more experience, federal courts have routinely upheld the power of bankruptcy judges to impair or cancel contractual rights, even those protected by state laws. Before joining Jones Day, Orr held several U.S. government jobs, including director of the Justice Department unit that oversees bankruptcy cases and trustees, according to the law firm. As an adviser to the United Steelworkers for 13 years, and before that as a manufacturing specialist at Lazard and his own boutique investment firm, Bloom participated in more than 100 bankruptcies and restructurings, trying to balance the realities of business with the need for jobs, he said in a 2010 interview. Marchionne praised Bloom in a 2011 interview for working around the clock to complete the deal on Chrysler in 2009, saying he once had a conversation with the banker on the steps of the U.S. Treasury building during a cigarette break. “I asked him: what the hell are you doing here?” Marchionne said at the time. Bloom “turned around and he said, ‘when I die, I want to be able to put on the tombstone: he made the difference.’” The Detroit case is City of Detroit, 13-bk-53846, U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Eastern District of Michigan (Detroit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323308504579086760224349826.html?mod=WSJ_business_whatsNews Fiat's Marchionne Turns to Union Ally Bloom to Help With Chrysler Talks Auto Maker Seeks Favorable Price in Negotiations With UAW . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vpagano Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Chrysler S-1 is out: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1513153/000119312513374811/d564443ds1.htm#toc564443_9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Chrysler S-1 is out: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1513153/000119312513374811/d564443ds1.htm#toc564443_9 With all the noise at BlackBerry thread, I didn't see this earlier. The Negotiation must be getting into the weeds by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay21 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 If all else fails, Marchionne still has a standing agreement to pay about $6 billion for the stake. Should the IPO market point to a higher value than that, he could exercise his option to buy at the fixed price. If investors indicate the shares are worth less than that, Marchionne would only need to offer more than the market valuation to take control. Marchionne, who said last week that he’s looking to pay less than $5 billion for the holding, expects the market to apply a minority discount on the stake, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the discussions are private. A representative of the Italian carmaker declined to comment. Matt Wood, a spokesman for the Chrysler Veba, didn’t respond to a voice message or e-mail. So A) They negotiate a price privately < 6 bn B) They do the IPO B1) Investors do not apply a minority discount = the stake is bought for 6 bn B2) Investors do apply a minority discount ==> arbritagers come in and buy at the discount because they know of the implied call that Marchionna has + his desire to buy the stake? => stake is bought for 6 bn What do you guys think of this IPO strategy?? I think the strategy is to never IPO. The IPO process that is going on now is designed to get a market price for Marchionne to negotiate with. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304213904579093654095921412.html?mod=pls_whats_news_us_business_f "Fiat Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne, who also leads Chrysler, wants to own Chrysler outright and merge the two companies into a single auto maker. Mr. Marchionne has said a public offering could come in the first quarter of 2014, but that he wants to avoid one by buying out the union trust's holdings in a private deal. A deal between Fiat and the UAW trust could still take place before any shares are sold." "However, Mr. Marchionne, as Chrysler CEO, is in the awkward situation of having to meet with investors and persuade them to pay top dollar for shares that as Fiat's CEO he would prefer to buy on the cheap." My Comment: Is there any possible meritorious case the VEBA can bring against Marchionne for breach of fiduciary duty? I would hate to see this drag on if the price isn't right in the IPO. "If Mr. Marchionne is able to gain full control of Chrysler, he could launch a new share offering for the combined company to raise money for new product investments and restructuring." My Comment: I do not see this happening with the cash he will get his hands on when Chrylser is consolidated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/09/23/the-chrysler-ipo-a-game-of-chicken-goes-public/?mod=WSJBlog&mod=WSJ_corp_intel The Chrysler IPO: A Game of Chicken Goes Public Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankap Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 There is very good info. on the thread on FIAT. I have started reading on FIAT. The opportunity looks very interesting with little downside risk. I am watching the game of chicken between UAW and FIAT. I think they will agree on the price before the IPO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303759604579095431842965894.html?mod=WSJ_business_LeadStoryRotator Fiat Needs Chrysler More Than Ever Italian Auto Maker's Warning It Could Curb Ties Doesn't Hold Up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-23/chrysler-files-for-ipo-as-fiat-seeks-deal-to-merge-automakers.html Fiat Threatens Chrysler Pullback With Union-Pushed IPO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianMunger Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I've seen mentioned here what Fiat would do in a European nightmare scenario - distribute Chrysler and Ferrari to shareholders. Now, whats the downside if, along with a nightmare European scenario, we have a nightmare North American scenario (deflation)? Merged or not, would Chrysler/Fiat survive with the debt it has? Thanks, -CM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer16 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 If we have deflation in NA, the only investment that may go up is Fairfax. I just do not see how deflation occurs with all of these QEs going on and no inclination to stop them. Packer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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