sleepydragon Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 "He said dissenting Fiat shareholders have until Aug. 20 to exercise their rights to cash out their shares and he expects to know whether the cap was met four or five days later." From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140806/AUTO0101/308060077# so we will know soon! CFO says they expect Chrysler to earn 2.5bn in 2014. current mktcap is about 5x of that. and this is just Chrysler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter1234 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 "He said dissenting Fiat shareholders have until Aug. 20 to exercise their rights to cash out their shares and he expects to know whether the cap was met four or five days later." From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140806/AUTO0101/308060077# so we will know soon! CFO says they expect Chrysler to earn 2.5bn in 2014. current mktcap is about 5x of that. and this is just Chrysler. On the other hand, at some point, he was talking about the Italian mail saying it could take a while... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaceliacapital Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yes and the creditors have a longer time period to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yes and the creditors have a longer time period to decide. How long and how much debt do they represent? How can debt holders have voted against the merger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augustabound Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Anyone want to do investor-man a favor and post a screen shot? You can Ctrl+C the headline and google it and you will always see the full article. Search the exact title in google, right click and open in incognito window if you're in Chrome. WSJ closed the google back door a couple of years ago but incognito still works. Edit: sorry, apparently Google's backdoor is open again, so ignore my more difficult answer I posted and just click through Google like wbr wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepydragon Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 The hottest TV show in China right now is a show called "Divorce Lawyers". In the show, the actors drive Chrysler and Jeep cars. Chrysler is the main sponsor of the show. http://qipai.shangdu.com/html/19098.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaceliacapital Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 How long and how much debt do they represent? How can debt holders have voted against the merger? Unfortunately I have no clue as to how to calculate this, and I wouldn't understand why they would vote against so we'll have to wait and see.. I think the equity part is the largest hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter1234 Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 How long and how much debt do they represent? How can debt holders have voted against the merger? Unfortunately I have no clue as to how to calculate this, and I wouldn't understand why they would vote against so we'll have to wait and see.. I think the equity part is the largest hurdle. Agreed. We might get an update in the next few days. Shareholders who didn't approve the deal had until Aug. 20 to tender, with final results trickling in through registered mail after the deadline. Fiat says it expects to announce around Sept. 1 how many sold shares, but the news could come earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregS Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 That got me as well. They say Marchionne "essentially committed in public" to a Ferrari spin-off, but a web search only shows media/analyst speculation and his refusal. Our understanding was that option was a last resort if they needed capital, not actually part of the strategic plan. There have been synergies since the refresh of Maserati. Ferrari already designs the Maserati powertrains, which are also used by Alfa and will be a centerpiece in upcoming high-end Alfas. Considering Ferrari's meaningful engineering contributions to the other marques, a full divestiture does not make much sense to me. Finally got around to reading the latest GreenWood analysis. I generally like their take but have no idea where they get that Fiat is going to spin off Ferrari. Here's their quote of Marchionne from a private meeting: "For anyone that's lived through the last ten years, it would be inopportune to have this asset monetized when the true value lies in accessing the asset itself. Ferrari belongs to the Fiat shareholders." I read that as saying Ferrari is not for sale and is going to stay right where it is - part of FCA. I think Marchionne is also alluding to the synergies of having Ferrari part of Fiat that you guys have discussed here. Nothing in that quote supports a spin. To me, Marchionne's discussion of Ferrari's value was to allay concerns over Fiat's debt and show that Ferrari is, arguably, worth more than the whole company's market cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportgamma Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Here's their quote of Marchionne from a private meeting: "For anyone that's lived through the last ten years, it would be inopportune to have this asset monetized when the true value lies in accessing the asset itself. Ferrari belongs to the Fiat shareholders." I read that as saying Ferrari is not for sale and is going to stay right where it is - part of FCA. I think Marchionne is also alluding to the synergies of having Ferrari part of Fiat that you guys have discussed here. Nothing in that quote supports a spin. To me, Marchionne's discussion of Ferrari's value was to allay concerns over Fiat's debt and show that Ferrari is, arguably, worth more than the whole company's market cap. Another take is that he is indicating that Ferrari belongs to the shareholders as opposed to bondholders as the asset is unencumbered for shareholders in fiat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregS Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Another take is that he is indicating that Ferrari belongs to the shareholders as opposed to bondholders as the asset is unencumbered for shareholders in fiat. Good point, and consistent with the notion that Fiat's stock value is supported by Ferrari. I can see them spinning off Ferrari in a worst case scenario, which GreenWood themselves have noted. Perhaps there are other situations where they contemplate a spin. Committed to a spin? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepydragon Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 Another take is that he is indicating that Ferrari belongs to the shareholders as opposed to bondholders as the asset is unencumbered for shareholders in fiat. Good point, and consistent with the notion that Fiat's stock value is supported by Ferrari. I can see them spinning off Ferrari in a worst case scenario, which GreenWood themselves have noted. Perhaps there are other situations where they contemplate a spin. Committed to a spin? Nope. I emailed them directly and asked about this a few days ago, and Steven emailed me back: "I put the exact wording in the write-up, he said Ferrari is not for sale, and that asset belongs to the shareholders of Fiat. At a private meeting with only a few buy-siders, he said he was surprised that no one publicly asked him to clarify that statement and he said he believes the Fiat shareholders deserve to have direct access to the Ferrari asset. I can't remember exactly, but I have in my notes that he referenced a readiness to do so once the group's financial position (net debt) could support it. Ferrari has over €1B in net cash, so it would make the group look even worse without it if they did it now. I interpreted this all to mean a spinoff once net debt is at a more sustainable level. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaceliacapital Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 http://online.wsj.com/articles/fiat-avoids-chrysler-merger-road-block-1409295479 MILAN— Fiat F.MI -1.72% SpA said too few shareholders tendered their stock to block a reorganization that will create Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, a new company with a tax residency in the U.K., legal headquarters in Amsterdam and a primary stock market listing in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter1234 Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-29/fiat-clears-merger-hurdle-as-withdrawals-are-below-cap.html Based on a preliminary tally, the total won’t be more than the 500 million euros ($658 million) Fiat allotted, the Turin-based company said today in a statement. Had the amount exceeded the company’s cap, the deal would have been delayed. The final sum of withdrawal rights will be announced by Sept. 4. “I am delighted with these results,” Fiat Chairman John Elkann said in the statement. “We are now looking forward to the completion of this project.” Fiat now needs to wait for potential opposition from creditors. That period expires on Oct. 4, and the company said today it doesn’t expect this process to interfere with the closing of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_Buffett Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 great :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregS Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 I emailed them directly and asked about this a few days ago, and Steven emailed me back: "I put the exact wording in the write-up, he said Ferrari is not for sale, and that asset belongs to the shareholders of Fiat. At a private meeting with only a few buy-siders, he said he was surprised that no one publicly asked him to clarify that statement and he said he believes the Fiat shareholders deserve to have direct access to the Ferrari asset. I can't remember exactly, but I have in my notes that he referenced a readiness to do so once the group's financial position (net debt) could support it. Ferrari has over €1B in net cash, so it would make the group look even worse without it if they did it now. I interpreted this all to mean a spinoff once net debt is at a more sustainable level. " Thanks for the color. It certainly lends support to their case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepydragon Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 http://online.wsj.com/articles/fiat-avoids-chrysler-merger-road-block-1409295479 MILAN— Fiat F.MI -1.72% SpA said too few shareholders tendered their stock to block a reorganization that will create Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, a new company with a tax residency in the U.K., legal headquarters in Amsterdam and a primary stock market listing in New York. welcome to America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 http://online.wsj.com/articles/fiat-avoids-chrysler-merger-road-block-1409295479 MILAN— Fiat F.MI -1.72% SpA said too few shareholders tendered their stock to block a reorganization that will create Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, a new company with a tax residency in the U.K., legal headquarters in Amsterdam and a primary stock market listing in New York. welcome to America! Welcome to the Netherlands ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepydragon Posted August 29, 2014 Share Posted August 29, 2014 official press release: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1605484/000089183614000112/sc0071.htm "Sergio Marchionne, CEO of Fiat and Chrysler, added. “The recent vagaries of the equity markets and the performance of Fiat Shares in the last 30 days have added a level of complexity in this process which was unexpected and in my view, unwarranted. " "Payment for the shares for which cash exit rights have been validly exercised will proceed in accordance with the Italian Civil Code which requires that these shares first be offered on a preemptive basis to existing Fiat shareholders at the Exit Price. Thereafter, any shares not purchased by Fiat shareholders may, in Fiat’s discretion, be offered to the public at the Exit Price. Any such offer will be filed with the Turin Companies Register and announced in accordance with applicable law. Any shares remaining unpurchased 180 days after the date on which the cash exit right was exercised will, subject to the consummation of the Merger, be purchased by FCA at the Exit Price and cancelled" The exit price is at 7.727. So if market price stays below that after 6 months, it will be a small buy back of 5% mktcap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karthikpm Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 http://finance.yahoo.com/news/fiat-chrysler-ceo-says-october-111908597.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sswan11 Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Pardon my ignorance, but how does this effect the FIATY ADRs? (if it does) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil_Buffett Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 http://europe.autonews.com/article/20140901/ANE/140839994?template=mobile02&X-IgnoreUserAgent=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brker_guy Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-02/chrysler-luring-toyota-owners-helps-lift-u-s-share-cars.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Pardon my ignorance, but how does this effect the FIATY ADRs? (if it does) Would the ADR just convert to the new shares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepydragon Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Pardon my ignorance, but how does this effect the FIATY ADRs? (if it does) Would the ADR just convert to the new shares? i think it is. but i wonder if Bank of Mellon or my broker will charge any special fees for the conversion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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