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Ben,

 

Can you elaborate on why you think this is the case and if true, what that would mean in a BK scenario? (or point me to the thread if discussed already)

 

Thanks for any insights.

 

It's back in the thread.  I think Scott Hall has a bunch of nice links if you read his posts.  Basically, it's covered in the 2005 10-k IIRC.

 

As to what SRAC vs. '19 holdco debt would do in Ch 11 filing... I think it would be irrelevant, they would both get the same recovery in my mind, likely deminimis if anything.

 

I don't mean to argue that SRAC should trade at a premium above the holdco notes, only that there shouldn't be a giant discount.  Market pricing in Sears debt seems to be more rational now.  '19's have come way down while SRAC '17's have risen, and longer term notes have held steady.

 

 

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Public companies are now required to evaluate their ability to continue as a going concern (i.e., keep operating).  In the past, only the auditors had to make such an assessment.  If a public company evaluates their ability to continue as a going concern and concludes there is 'substantial doubt,' then they need to evaluate whether there are factors that mitigate that doubt (i.e., we can sell assets, raise capital, etc.) and evaluate the likelihood of those mitigating factors happening.

 

In Sears' case, they concluded there was substantial doubt and also concluded there were mitigating factors that were likely to occur.  Interestingly, the auditors were silent in their audit report, which means they agreed the substantial doubt was alleviated.

 

I previously predicted 2016 would be the end.  I was wrong.  But it seems to be only a matter of time.

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Nice! I sold more puts @ 5 for a 10% yield through June. I imagine they'll make it at least that long.

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Hey all:

 

I think SHLD is a big donut...

 

I don't know about the rest of the country, but in my neck of the woods, most of SHLD locations are in C,D,F locations.  There ain't no Sears in the "up & coming" and wealthy sections of town.  Conversely, there are plenty of SHLD & K-Mart locations with no or very little worth.

 

There is a coming collapse of physical retailers...THOUSANDS of stores are going to be shuttered in the upcoming 12 months.  There is going to be a TON of vacant space available.  That is going to diminish the value of real estate that SHLD holds.

 

I don't see how this is anything other than a zero...

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2017 notes are trading around $80 today (from 95-100 last week) and trading around ~40 to 50% yield if you have heart burn medications! ::)

They don't really talk to investors. 

 

I do agree with your sentiment on SHLD, but to date have been very very wrong.

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In the last sentence it says:

“Affiliates of our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, whose interests may be different than your interests, exert substantial influence over our Company,” Sears told investors Tuesday in the public filing.

 

Good luck to you all.

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People owning or thinking of owning SHLD stock need to understand this.  You and Eddie do not necessarily have the same exposure or incentives.

 

With the recent Craftsman deal, I don't think shld is in imminent danger of bankruptcy, but long-term it's not clear how much value the equity of SHLD really has.

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People owning or thinking of owning SHLD stock need to understand this.  You and Eddie do not necessarily have the same exposure or incentives.

 

With the recent Craftsman deal, I don't think shld is in imminent danger of bankruptcy, but long-term it's not clear how much value the equity of SHLD really has.

 

I'm trying to understand why Berkowitz and Lampert KEEP buying. It's one thing to keep holding. It's wholly another to keep buying and continuing to increase your exposure. Berkowitz is a smart dude. I don't think he just lost it overnight and became an idiot on Sears and I know that he's discussed this with Lampert.

 

What do the two of them see that all of us bears are missing? It's mind boggling to me that he continues to buy. And its the equity as opposed to the bonds!

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What do the two of them see that all of us bears are missing? It's mind boggling to me that he continues to buy. And its the equity as opposed to the bonds!

 

See page 3 from FAIRX 2015 annual http://www.fairholmefundsinc.com/Letters/FAIRX2015AnnualLetter.pdf

 

A year ago Berkowitz though real estate worth $15B (after SRG transaction).  Do they have better insights on the fair market value of those assets?

 

 

 

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What do the two of them see that all of us bears are missing? It's mind boggling to me that he continues to buy. And its the equity as opposed to the bonds!

 

See page 3 from FAIRX 2015 annual http://www.fairholmefundsinc.com/Letters/FAIRX2015AnnualLetter.pdf

 

A year ago Berkowitz though real estate worth $15B (after SRG transaction).  Do they have better insights on the fair market value of those assets?

 

Sure. I get that it's a real estate play, but if the company goes into bankruptcy, you want the debt which is

 

A) backed by the real estate and

B) to control the bankruptcy negotiations

 

If you own the debt, you can control the negotiations AND come out with an equity interest. I'm just blown away they're both still purchasing the equity. Like...what are we missing?

 

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Also,

 

I'm no bankruptcy expert. I know there are circumstances where equity holders do well in bankruptcy (typically liquidity driven and not solvency driven). Others who are more knowledgeable, please feel free to put me in my place if something in my above post appears incorrect.

 

Just trying to understand the appeal of the equity if 2017 notes are offering a 45% YTM and you can just keep rolling the debt...

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