twacowfca Posted January 1, 2013 Share Posted January 1, 2013 Just ran some year end values and estimates through my head. I think EOY BV/SH is up about 1 1/2 % over Q3 BV/SH. Interestingly, BRK's gains on their BAC warrants may just about offset their losses from Hurricane Sandy. :) Interestingly, BRK's share buybacks appeared to kick in in the low $89 range untill the S&P dropped somewhat during the last few days. Repurchases may have beem made slightly lower in the mid $88 range yesterday and today until the market bounced this afternoon. I estimate that 120% of BRK's book value per share may have dropped less than one percent below the Q3 value until the final bounce in the S&P 500 brought 120% of BRK's BV/SH back above the Q3 value. Why is this important? 120% of the EOY BV/SH should be the new quasi strike price on the so called Buffett Put. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twacowfca Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Just ran some year end values and estimates through my head. I think EOY BV/SH is up about 1 1/2 % over Q3 BV/SH. Interestingly, BRK's gains on their BAC warrants may just about offset their losses from Hurricane Sandy. :) Interestingly, BRK's share buybacks appeared to kick in in the low $89 range untill the S&P dropped somewhat during the last few days. Repurchases may have beem made slightly lower in the mid $88 range yesterday and today until the market bounced this afternoon. I estimate that 120% of BRK's book value per share may have dropped less than one percent below the Q3 value until the final bounce in the S&P 500 brought 120% of BRK's BV/SH back above the Q3 value. Why is this important? 120% of the EOY BV/SH should be the new quasi strike price on the so called Buffett Put. :) Meyer Shields, Stifel Nicolaus analyst estimates BRK B's EOY 120% of book value is $90.86. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx1 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Gary Ramsom of Dowling & Partners (one of the insurance experts WEB picked last year to ask questions at the ASM) estimated year end BV of $75.97. 120% is $91.16. Note that his estimate was on November 29 and we saw a meaningful improvement in general equity valuation in December, including a move in BAC from $9.8 to $11.6. December's BAC movement alone might be worth $0.33/share after tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twacowfca Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Gary Ramsom of Dowling & Partners (one of the insurance experts WEB picked last year to ask questions at the ASM) estimated year end BV of $75.97. 120% is $91.16. Note that his estimate was on November 29 and we saw a meaningful improvement in general equity valuation in December, including a move in BAC from $9.8 to $11.6. December's BAC movement alone might be worth $0.33/share after tax. That's interesting. I wonder if he allowed anything for Sandy losses? Today's surge in the market should conservatively take instantaneous BV/SH to about $91.50, or perhaps higher by Ramsom's methodology. This is interesting as we bought a lot of short term BRK calls last week that are up double or triple what we paid for them. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx1 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Gary Ramsom of Dowling & Partners (one of the insurance experts WEB picked last year to ask questions at the ASM) estimated year end BV of $75.97. 120% is $91.16. Note that his estimate was on November 29 and we saw a meaningful improvement in general equity valuation in December, including a move in BAC from $9.8 to $11.6. December's BAC movement alone might be worth $0.33/share after tax. That's interesting. I wonder if he allowed anything for Sandy losses? Today's surge in the market should conservatively take instantaneous BV/SH to about $91.50, or perhaps higher by Ramsom's methodology. This is interesting as we bought a lot of short term BRK calls last week that are up double or triple what we paid for them. :) Their BRK guesstimate is 3.8% of $20bln in Sandy losses, or $750mm. But they expect late development to bring losses to a level higher than first estimates, and are assuing flooding caused a higher mix of commercial losses vs auto/home. BTW, I fat fingered his name, it's spelled Ransom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx1 Posted January 4, 2013 Share Posted January 4, 2013 Dowling & Parntners upped their estimate of BRK Sandy losses to $1.4bln this morning and now believe 2012 YE BV will be $75.44/share, 120% of that BV is $90.53/share. With the B shares trading above the "floor" I don't see shares being purchased, which works just fine for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twacowfca Posted January 7, 2013 Author Share Posted January 7, 2013 Dowling & Parntners upped their estimate of BRK Sandy losses to $1.4bln this morning and now believe 2012 YE BV will be $75.44/share, 120% of that BV is $90.53/share. With the B shares trading above the "floor" I don't see shares being purchased, which works just fine for me. The $1.4B for Sandy losses looks about right. That's a lot more realistic than some other estimates. What's Dowling allowing for index derivatives changes? I agree that the recent bounce and resulting updraft may make the 120% of book floor less important. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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