frommi Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 JUN 2020 TSLA PUTS 10$ for 0.25$ and 50$ for 2.37$. I think the bankruptcy risk for Tesla is massivly underpriced in these options. But maybe i am just to stupid to understand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 More CLF, CRSP, EDIT, AAL, started MPC, bid in for CTO MPC is quite interesting from a value POV. Their cash flows that can be used for buybacks or dividends exceed their earnings due to the cash stream from the MLPs. Twas the toast of the town, best of breed, sector champion maybe a year ago...now its poo poo. I don't see much that has changed to warrant such sentiment shift. Me neither. Bought a starter today and will see how it goes. I have owned it way back in the past at the spinoff before the shale oil boom became a buzzword and sold it too early then. Thanks for posting. I also bought some MSM. Arguably not super cheap, but I like the company and the management and I think it’s a good business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castanza Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 JUN 2020 TSLA PUTS 10$ for 0.25$ and 50$ for 2.37$. I think the bankruptcy risk for Tesla is massivly underpriced in these options. But maybe i am just to stupid to understand this. That seems quite "ballsy." How large of position did you take if I might ask? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 JUN 2020 TSLA PUTS 10$ for 0.25$ and 50$ for 2.37$. I think the bankruptcy risk for Tesla is massivly underpriced in these options. But maybe i am just to stupid to understand this. That seems quite "ballsy." How large of position did you take if I might ask? 0.5% :o But i am also short TSLA call spreads and long a 200$ put since some months, so my whole TSLA short exposure is larger. I think my max loss from the current point is somewhere around ~10%, my max gain ~25%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brycepeterson Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Atlantic Power (AT) at $2.50 per share or lower ($2.30's currently). $3 per share easy; $4-$5 in two to three years. AT is an electricity producer. Owns power plants and sells the electricity it generates. (Natural gas, hydo, solar, coal) Story is FCF all being used for debt pay down. CEO and management team excellent (read the shareholder letter). FCF's out to 2022 per power purchase agreements = excellent FCF yield to Enterprise Value. Upside: FCF estimates do not include any recovery in wholesale power prices (currently depressed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cherzeca Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 JUN 2020 TSLA PUTS 10$ for 0.25$ and 50$ for 2.37$. I think the bankruptcy risk for Tesla is massivly underpriced in these options. But maybe i am just to stupid to understand this. That seems quite "ballsy." How large of position did you take if I might ask? 0.5% :o But i am also short TSLA call spreads and long a 200$ put since some months, so my whole TSLA short exposure is larger. I think my max loss from the current point is somewhere around ~10%, my max gain ~25%. problem is that even with bankruptcy common will be priced beyond value. if it happens pounce before the bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brycepeterson Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Correction to my Atlantic Power (AT) above: Biomass is its fourth power plant type, not Solar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjangal Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 ADBE, DG and UNH. Not exactly cheap but they are just good companies to have for the long term. Will add more if any dips happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyinNumbers Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 It’s been almost a year since the below post and I’m still waiting for Uranium to get moving. I bought some NXE, CCO, and EFR.DB today. This second half of this podcast by Mike Alkin who is a former hedge fund manager and now runs a Uranium dedicated fund sums up the bull case quite well. http://themikealkinshow.curzioresearch.libsynpro.com/stop-looking-at-your-stock-screens-for-great-ideas-do-this-instead-ep-60 I bought some EFR.DB-TSX yesterday. It’s a pretty interesting piece of paper to have access to a potential Uranium bull market while getting paid to wait. Maturity is Dec 2020, strike is C$4.15. Implied vol of the outstanding warrants is over 60% while the debs trade at par. The debt issue is also a small part of the capital structure and I don’t think they will have a problem raising money but of course I think the debs could be a multibagger. So from what I can tell, the interest rate on the debs varies between 8.5-13.5%, depending on the (weekly) spot market price of uranium oxide. Management doesn't expect the price to exceed 54.99 by 2020, the price above which the interest rate increases (and price is currently at 22.75$, from Google). Any reason to be optimistic about a bull market in uranium? Yes, I think so. The current Uranium spot price is too low for anyone to make money. Most producers locked into long term contract pricing much higher than spot which are expiring over the next few years. In response, Cameco and other large producers have decided to cut production and use existing inventory and buy in the spot market to fulfill production in order to preserve their resource for higher prices. Utilities will have to negotiate contract pricing soon and it will likely come in well above current prices. It’s a classical deep cyclical play that is complicated by an opaque market, two tiered pricing and extremely long lead times. I bought more yesterday with the stock surging higher and a holder of the debentures being forced to sell for what I can only assume are liquidity reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 GOOG - what caused the inexplicable weakness yesterday and this AM and the even less explicable sudden jump this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCLarkin Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 GOOG - what caused the inexplicable weakness yesterday and this AM and the even less explicable sudden jump this morning? There seemed to be plenty of optimism about new ad units being released. Could that explain the price jump? I was going to buy more this morning but decided to buy something else once GOOG jumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 GOOG - what caused the inexplicable weakness yesterday and this AM and the even less explicable sudden jump this morning? There seemed to be plenty of optimism about new ad units being released. Could that explain the price jump? I was going to buy more this morning but decided to buy something else once GOOG jumped. Yea I had an order ready to go right before the close yesterday as 1120 seemed excessive. I ultimately convinced myself to hold off because I'd deployed a fair amount of cash elsewhere recently and todays move is what I get for being a pussy. Google I find tends to overreact often. More times than not it is to the downside but there is no reason to be buying a stock like this on a +4% day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmallCap Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I did something new for me: I wrote some WY puts that expire in 2 days: WY 05/17/2019 24.50 P - price when i wrote the puts was 24.85 and I sold the puts for $.10 My reasoning was that I was seriously thinking about adding to my WY position and when I checked the options I saw the OTM options with a bid for $.10 so I just went for it knowing that if I am put to in 2 days then I will get it $.45 less then todays price, which I can live with. My profit on expiration is a whopping $80. Tell me if my thinking is stupid and i am picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I did something new for me: I wrote some WY puts that expire in 2 days: WY 05/17/2019 24.50 P - price when i wrote the puts was 24.85 and I sold the puts for $.10 My reasoning was that I was seriously thinking about adding to my WY position and when I checked the options I saw the OTM options with a bid for $.10 so I just went for it knowing that if I am put to in 2 days then I will get it $.45 less then todays price, which I can live with. My profit on expiration is a whopping $80. Tell me if my thinking is stupid and i am picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. The problem with the strategy is that if the stock goes straight up, you just get 10c/ share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakesider Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 MU, riding the 13Fs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleepydragon Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I did something new for me: I wrote some WY puts that expire in 2 days: WY 05/17/2019 24.50 P - price when i wrote the puts was 24.85 and I sold the puts for $.10 My reasoning was that I was seriously thinking about adding to my WY position and when I checked the options I saw the OTM options with a bid for $.10 so I just went for it knowing that if I am put to in 2 days then I will get it $.45 less then todays price, which I can live with. My profit on expiration is a whopping $80. Tell me if my thinking is stupid and i am picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. The problem with the strategy is that if the stock goes straight up, you just get 10c/ share. Plus you have to pay short term capital gain tax, and tie up the cash in the account until put is expired. Like Warren said, if you like the stock, just buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 GOOG - what caused the inexplicable weakness yesterday and this AM and the even less explicable sudden jump this morning? There seemed to be plenty of optimism about new ad units being released. Could that explain the price jump? I was going to buy more this morning but decided to buy something else once GOOG jumped. Yea I had an order ready to go right before the close yesterday as 1120 seemed excessive. I ultimately convinced myself to hold off because I'd deployed a fair amount of cash elsewhere recently and todays move is what I get for being a pussy. Google I find tends to overreact often. More times than not it is to the downside but there is no reason to be buying a stock like this on a +4% day. I flipped some of my FB sales proceeds from a while back in my IRA’s into GOOG. I feel the stock is reasonably valued and much more safe than any of these other tech plays. On MPC, I still have some more work to do, since I haven’t looked at refiners for a while. What I think Mr. market is missing (or at least underestimating) is the cash flows that these companies are getting from their midstream operations, which by now exceed the cash generated from the refining business itself. Then they have these captive MLP which allow them to monetize assets around 9-10x EBITDA when their stocks trade at <6x EBITDA (at Times) which is a great arbitrage. Best in class PSX also looks cheap and they are even further down the road to be a midstream player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombgrt Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Bought a boatload of CRC LEAPS today. Painful to do but hopefully with a good return like last year. Basically crashed yesterday (and lost 10% days before) following a bill in California to restrict drilling, news that was already known on Tuesday. Purely sentimental selling if you ask me. Bill unlikely to go through. But even if it did, it would hardly be the end of CRC. Given that CRC is an option on brent prices already, you might as well leverage that leverage with options. Binary outcome most likely (either they survive and are a multibagger or they become a zero at some point) so much preferable about regular stock. Would you mind sharing (even generally) the timeframe and strikes you're looking at here. I like this idea, but man some of those options are expensive. Be curious to hear how you're thinking about in the money/at the money/out of the money. Yes, super expensive given volatility and nearly always are. :( But considering the leverage and upside potential it would be nuts if they were cheap obviously. When you know their net debt is around $5b vs market cap of $1b, you know the potential stock appreciation is huge. Consistent higher Brent prices simply balloon their CFs and reserves values and this is something the stock price will exponentially reflect. Most are jan 2020 which of course are not technically LEAPS but should be more than long enough to capture a nice return. (If we don't see higher pricing in 2019, I'm not sure we would in 2020 either.) These 2019's I obviously sell first. Others are jan 2021. I've bought both ATM and OTM but generally prefer to buy them well OTM at strike $30-40 which is a realistic level as to not risk them expiring worthless and otherwise doesn't require a high cash outlay. These OTM options also actually act more as options of course vs deeply ITM options. ;) No use going for very high delta options for this stock anyway as the atraction to me is in the 'leverage times leverage component'. Also generally found tighter spreads in the OTM options, probably due to higher volumes. Sure, I could go for a call spread but I'm also fairly bullish on oil for the next 12 months so I'm not willing to bother. :-X It's a highly speculative bet that paid off very well last year (various sold at 800%+ returns of those that I bought around a stock price of $15). You could say these options are now bought mainly with 'house money' as I can now buy these with last year's winnings. So obviously psychologically I'm more willing to swing for the fences. But to me it makes more sense than laying out a multiple of that capital to buy the stock itself. Company looks cheaper today given current Buena Vista oil pricing, macro situation, extra JVs in place and small debt paydown they already had. They also have much less overhang from the hedges with more upside potential. + I don't see the bill getting far for a couple of reasons. CRC also has plenty of JV's with the state and they count on a great deal of tax revenue from them. Trump's administration was actually looking at expanding land permits for oil extraction so certainly some political headwinds on various levels of government as well. Not to mention gas prices would go ballistic if operations of CRC & co really got impacted in the next few years. Just some posturing by Newsom to please some of the voter base, IMO. So the sell off to me looks overdone and provided me with a decent opportunity to jump in. The announcement of more JVs could also be a great catalyst for the stock. Management is certainly making the right strategic steps. They simply got dealt a poor hand. Hope this helps! AB 345 dead for this year! CRC back up to $22 which is a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 I did something new for me: I wrote some WY puts that expire in 2 days: WY 05/17/2019 24.50 P - price when i wrote the puts was 24.85 and I sold the puts for $.10 My reasoning was that I was seriously thinking about adding to my WY position and when I checked the options I saw the OTM options with a bid for $.10 so I just went for it knowing that if I am put to in 2 days then I will get it $.45 less then todays price, which I can live with. My profit on expiration is a whopping $80. Tell me if my thinking is stupid and i am picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. Not stupid at all. Think of it as placing a limit order that you get paid for if it doesn't execute. Yes it may never trade down to your desired purchase price, but I find it works 9 times out of 10 to eventually get the stock at your desired price. It builds in the patience to wait for your purchase price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 I did something new for me: I wrote some WY puts that expire in 2 days: WY 05/17/2019 24.50 P - price when i wrote the puts was 24.85 and I sold the puts for $.10 My reasoning was that I was seriously thinking about adding to my WY position and when I checked the options I saw the OTM options with a bid for $.10 so I just went for it knowing that if I am put to in 2 days then I will get it $.45 less then todays price, which I can live with. My profit on expiration is a whopping $80. Tell me if my thinking is stupid and i am picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. The problem with the strategy is that if the stock goes straight up, you just get 10c/ share. Plus you have to pay short term capital gain tax, and tie up the cash in the account until put is expired. Like Warren said, if you like the stock, just buy it. Eating like a chicken yet shitting like an elephant... Not my cup of tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 I did something new for me: I wrote some WY puts that expire in 2 days: WY 05/17/2019 24.50 P - price when i wrote the puts was 24.85 and I sold the puts for $.10 My reasoning was that I was seriously thinking about adding to my WY position and when I checked the options I saw the OTM options with a bid for $.10 so I just went for it knowing that if I am put to in 2 days then I will get it $.45 less then todays price, which I can live with. My profit on expiration is a whopping $80. Tell me if my thinking is stupid and i am picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. The problem with the strategy is that if the stock goes straight up, you just get 10c/ share. Plus you have to pay short term capital gain tax, and tie up the cash in the account until put is expired. Like Warren said, if you like the stock, just buy it. You don't have to wait till expiration, you can buy the put back to free up the cash. I do that on occasion. Also, Buffett may say that but he has written about $5 billion of put options over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I did something new for me: I wrote some WY puts that expire in 2 days: WY 05/17/2019 24.50 P - price when i wrote the puts was 24.85 and I sold the puts for $.10 My reasoning was that I was seriously thinking about adding to my WY position and when I checked the options I saw the OTM options with a bid for $.10 so I just went for it knowing that if I am put to in 2 days then I will get it $.45 less then todays price, which I can live with. My profit on expiration is a whopping $80. Tell me if my thinking is stupid and i am picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. The problem with the strategy is that if the stock goes straight up, you just get 10c/ share. Plus you have to pay short term capital gain tax, and tie up the cash in the account until put is expired. Like Warren said, if you like the stock, just buy it. You don't have to wait till expiration, you can buy the put back to free up the cash. I do that on occasion. Also, Buffett may say that but he has written about $5 billion of put options over the years. Buying it back depends on the spread and liquidity. May I ask what market data are you using for these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Eating like a chicken yet shitting like an elephant... Not my cup of tea. LOL, I like this mental image better than picking up nickels in front of a steamroller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I did something new for me: I wrote some WY puts that expire in 2 days: WY 05/17/2019 24.50 P - price when i wrote the puts was 24.85 and I sold the puts for $.10 My reasoning was that I was seriously thinking about adding to my WY position and when I checked the options I saw the OTM options with a bid for $.10 so I just went for it knowing that if I am put to in 2 days then I will get it $.45 less then todays price, which I can live with. My profit on expiration is a whopping $80. Tell me if my thinking is stupid and i am picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. The problem with the strategy is that if the stock goes straight up, you just get 10c/ share. Plus you have to pay short term capital gain tax, and tie up the cash in the account until put is expired. Like Warren said, if you like the stock, just buy it. You don't have to wait till expiration, you can buy the put back to free up the cash. I do that on occasion. Also, Buffett may say that but he has written about $5 billion of put options over the years. Buying it back depends on the spread and liquidity. May I ask what market data are you using for these? Just the data provided by Schwab—quotes, volume, open interest. I've never had an issue trading options on stocks such as WFC, BRKB, AMGN, BAC, GILD, BK, etc. my usual suspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I did something new for me: I wrote some WY puts that expire in 2 days: WY 05/17/2019 24.50 P - price when i wrote the puts was 24.85 and I sold the puts for $.10 My reasoning was that I was seriously thinking about adding to my WY position and when I checked the options I saw the OTM options with a bid for $.10 so I just went for it knowing that if I am put to in 2 days then I will get it $.45 less then todays price, which I can live with. My profit on expiration is a whopping $80. Tell me if my thinking is stupid and i am picking up pennies in front of a steam roller. The problem with the strategy is that if the stock goes straight up, you just get 10c/ share. Plus you have to pay short term capital gain tax, and tie up the cash in the account until put is expired. Like Warren said, if you like the stock, just buy it. You don't have to wait till expiration, you can buy the put back to free up the cash. I do that on occasion. Also, Buffett may say that but he has written about $5 billion of put options over the years. Buying it back depends on the spread and liquidity. May I ask what market data are you using for these? Just the data provided by Schwab—quotes, volume, open interest. I've never had an issue trading options on stocks such as WFC, BRKB, AMGN, BAC, GILD, BK, etc. my usual suspects. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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