matjone Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 American Oriental Bioengineering just filed saying they are going private and will cash out all holders of less than 500 shares at .50/shr. It's at 31 cents . I think I am going to pass on it though. Is anyone familiar with the company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 American Oriental Bioengineering just filed saying they are going private and will cash out all holders of less than 500 shares at .50/shr. It's at 31 cents . I think I am going to pass on it though. Is anyone familiar with the company? Thanks for reporting this! It's actually less than 501 shares (http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1090514/000101968713004069/aob_sc13e3.htm ) Why are you passing on this? BTW: My IB Workstation I don't have the right trading permissions (I was checking to see what kind of fees they charge for OTC). Guess you need permission to buy OTC :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matjone Posted November 4, 2013 Author Share Posted November 4, 2013 I saw I made a mistake on the shares but I figured it wasn't worth the time to correct it. If you google their CEO Tony Liu a lot of questionable things came up. There may be nothing to it, but I didn't feel like spending the time looking into it for such a small gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 If you do an odd lot, does the trade have to be settled before expiration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted November 4, 2013 Share Posted November 4, 2013 If you do an odd lot, does the trade have to be settled before expiration? Not at IB, I contacted them the last time. The did charge me ~$0.30-$0.50 for borrowing difficult to borrow shares though (so I'm guessing underneath they borrow shares to tender and then just return the ones you bought to the lender when the trade settles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 cool. thanks wacht, appreciate it. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 cool. thanks wacht, appreciate it. :) No worries, good luck :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palantir Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Are there any funds that solely invest in odd lot tenders? Seems like a worthwhile idea for a CEF... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
writser Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Would be quite a small fund then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matjone Posted November 7, 2013 Author Share Posted November 7, 2013 Xstelos Holdings is going to vote on a reverse split that cashes out holders of fewer than 2000 shares at 1.37. CEO and the board together hold about 47% and they have stated they intend to vote for it. The interesting thing about these is deciding which side to play. I got kind of sucked into this story this afternoon and am trying to figure out what they might earn going forward, but it may be too complicated for me. Is anyone familiar with this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hielko Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Probably not worth it. Seems to be a small spread, and you're capital might be tied up a long time. See China Energy Corp for example... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matjone Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 Yes. The good thing about these is that it isn't a factor in the price, so you can watch and see what happens. The board says they plan to do it within 60 days of the meeting, but there is no date set yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted November 11, 2013 Share Posted November 11, 2013 Re CXP: I'm in for a couple of shares. Downside ~50 cts, upside unlimited (barring exceptional circumstances ;) ), either in the open market or in the tender. Also, I've seen regularly that tenders such as these end up in the higher end of the range. I think it's a bit of game theory; if everybody thinks the same way as you do (which is likely at these prices) the tender will go through at a higher price. So I just bit the bullet. Good thing I let you convince me to do buy too (below $22.50). They have settled on the maximum ($25). http://finance.yahoo.com/news/columbia-property-trust-announces-preliminary-110000886.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matjone Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 anyone looking into bridgepoint education? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 anyone looking into bridgepoint education? you need to stop publicizing these! ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matjone Posted November 14, 2013 Author Share Posted November 14, 2013 Ha! I am actually sincerely asking to see if anyone has seen any pitfalls I'm not aware of. I thought I posted again on this one. Anyway, am I understanding it correctly that if you tender through your broker you don't have to send in a letter of transmittal and designate it's an odd lot and all that? That was my understanding at first, but some statements they made later made me think that I had to mail the letter of transmittal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bskptkl Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Yep - bought it in several accounts today, and I think it's fine you posted it and would have if you hadn't. I also did the CPX tender in multiple accounts and was surprised there was no pro rationing and that price was high end. Not so lucky in PLCM tender and was lucky to scratch the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bskptkl Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I own 27k of this. It used to be Footstar, a liquidation play, trading around 10 cents when Couchman took it over (it had a huge NOL) and did a deal to buy the drug company with the royalty - CPEX I think it was called. It was a brilliant play and the stock traded as high as $2. Anyway I bought it in the 60s, sold a little not a lot as it tripled because I think the royalty stream is arguably worth $2 (there is a fairness opinion somewhere on Edgar). So bottom line - I think it is a high likelihood the reverse/forward split happens and you can get cashed out - but I am comfortable owning it here and will continue as a shareholder. I think Couchman just took over another NOL rich shell called MYRX I think. Be interesting to see if he can do it again though I don't own any - too expensive at 4x cash. MYRX was just posted as a long on VIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG2008 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I bought Footstar when it was trading at 65 cents. I sold at about 10 cents higher. The reason I sold was I spoke with Couchman and he came across as someone who didn't give an F about minority shareholders. Imagine waking up one day and the headline says "All the assets from Footstar has been moved to Xstelos" without a shareholder vote. This one is especially painful to watch as it was clearly undervalued at 65 cents. But when someone pays themselves 5% of the company's equity as compensation, margin of safety can quickly erode. The company HQ has been sold for $14mm, far higher than carried on the book. The company has also paid out a $0.30 dividend. I'm not as bullish going forward because there have been a ton of competition. Their revenue has also started to drop. Per my thesis, demand for TRT should grow over time as each new patient is likely cumulative. Once you get on TRT, you're on it for life. Happy to talk about the testesterone market. See attached amusing thesis on Footstar/Xstelos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG2008 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Footstar/Xstelos Thesis attachedFootstar_Investmnet_Thesis.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bskptkl Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 That is a good analysis of XTLS. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG2008 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I want to clarify that my thought on Xstelos ability to generate royalty revenue after 2015-2016 has altered since the write up. Given the 65 cents price at the time, it was still a no brainer if management was trustworthy. At today's price, it's not as appealing given the new competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunninghamew Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Not an odd lot tender, but a CEF tender in the future http://news.morningstar.com/all/ViewNews.aspx?article=/PR/20131114NE17213_univ.xml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoy911 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 bskptkl, do you mean several accounts with different brokers? or with one broker (ie IB) but different accounts? curious to know which brokerage if you don't mind! Yep - bought it in several accounts today, and I think it's fine you posted it and would have if you hadn't. I also did the CPX tender in multiple accounts and was surprised there was no pro rationing and that price was high end. Not so lucky in PLCM tender and was lucky to scratch the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 anyone looking into bridgepoint education? Thank you, I bought @$17.70. This is the longest I'm going to hold a odd lot tender (it's my fourth :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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