ItsAValueTrap Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1126741/000104746914006089/a2220606zex-99_a1i.htm ticker: GSIT modified dutch tender- $6.50 to $6.70 odd lot = less than 100 shares THE OFFER AND WITHDRAWAL RIGHTS WILL EXPIRE AT 5:00 P.M., NEW YORK CITY TIME, ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 6, 2014, UNLESS THE OFFER IS EXTENDED (SUCH TIME AND DATE, AS MAY BE EXTENDED, THE "EXPIRATION TIME"). Stock has been trading between 6.33 to 6.62 after the offer was announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddharth18 Posted July 14, 2014 Share Posted July 14, 2014 http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1126741/000104746914006089/a2220606zex-99_a1i.htm ticker: GSIT modified dutch tender- $6.50 to $6.70 odd lot = less than 100 shares THE OFFER AND WITHDRAWAL RIGHTS WILL EXPIRE AT 5:00 P.M., NEW YORK CITY TIME, ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 6, 2014, UNLESS THE OFFER IS EXTENDED (SUCH TIME AND DATE, AS MAY BE EXTENDED, THE "EXPIRATION TIME"). Stock has been trading between 6.33 to 6.62 after the offer was announced. Something to keep an eye on, but not at all interesting at this price, once you factor in your time to read the prospectus, pay commissions and tender fee (if you trade out of IB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matjone Posted July 14, 2014 Author Share Posted July 14, 2014 The ones I have seen lately usually have something wrong with them. They may still work out, but I lost 100% of my capital on one of them (AOBI). Fortunately it was one of the smaller ones but I took it as a lesson to be more careful with these and operate more like ragnar described. It is tough to pass them up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizaro86 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Something to keep an eye on, but not at all interesting at this price, once you factor in your time to read the prospectus, pay commissions and tender fee (if you trade out of IB). Hmm.. I don't recall ever seeing IB charging me a fee to tender. Do you know where in the activity statements that fee is called out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsAValueTrap Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Something to keep an eye on, but not at all interesting at this price, once you factor in your time to read the prospectus, pay commissions and tender fee (if you trade out of IB). Hmm.. I don't recall ever seeing IB charging me a fee to tender. Do you know where in the activity statements that fee is called out? I think he meant to say that there are fees if you use a broker *other* than Interactive Brokers. I use IB and I don't seem to have ever gotten charged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marodq Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 The ones I have seen lately usually have something wrong with them. They may still work out, but I lost 100% of my capital on one of them (AOBI). Fortunately it was one of the smaller ones but I took it as a lesson to be more careful with these and operate more like ragnar described. It is tough to pass them up though. While I agree that the chance of permanent loss is high with AOBI, I wont write it down just yet. And I agree wholeheartedly, these are juicy, albeit small opportunities... however small, one must still tread intelligently, read the prospectus and do some thinking. ---- Yup, IB does not charge a dime for tendering. Schwab for instance charges $40.00, tradeking $50.00, some spreads on these special opps are not wide enough to cover the cost, much less the risk incurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hielko Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Interesting 8K from HKFI today http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/812906/000143774914012763/hkfi20140714_8k.htm Aggregation Of Multiple Accounts. The Company is currently aware that certain holders are acquiring shares through multiple accounts with less than 1,000 shares or splitting their holdings, in attempt to receive multiple fractional share payments. The Company reminds such stockholders, as discussed in the Proxy Statement, that if the Company determines that two or more separate accounts holding the Company’s common stock (based upon the name of the account or the social security number or address associated with the account), then the Company plans to treat such accounts as a single account. This would have the effect of aggregating the total number of shares of common stock in such accounts, reducing the fractional share payout made to such holder, subject to any restrictions applied by holders of record for shares held in “street name”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizaro86 Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 I think he meant to say that there are fees if you use a broker *other* than Interactive Brokers. I use IB and I don't seem to have ever gotten charged. Oh, ok. I was pretty sure IB didn't charge, but if they were hitting me with a fee that I hadn't noticed that could materially impair the economics of many of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddharth18 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Nuveen announced tender offer for their Muni-funds: http://blogs.barrons.com/focusonfunds/2014/07/17/nuveen-closed-end-muni-funds-gain-amid-tender-offer/?mod=BOL_da_rta Does anyone know if they have a odd-lot preference? I couldn't find anything from Nuveen that mentions odd-lot. TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoy911 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Matjone or anyone else, why do you consider AOBI to be a total loss? The ones I have seen lately usually have something wrong with them. They may still work out, but I lost 100% of my capital on one of them (AOBI). Fortunately it was one of the smaller ones but I took it as a lesson to be more careful with these and operate more like ragnar described. It is tough to pass them up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matjone Posted August 2, 2014 Author Share Posted August 2, 2014 Because of the reputations of the insiders, and the fact that the deal closed so long ago but I have received no cash and no one at my broker knows what is going on with it. I think there was an old saying, maybe it was Mark Twain, that went something like, "when the bank teller disappears with no explanation, no explanation is necessary." :) I am hoping that whoever said this one might still pay turns out to be right, but I've written it off as a loss and tried to take the lesson from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carson Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 HKFI go private is toast: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/812906/000143774914014153/ex99-1.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
writser Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 While the Board of Directors believes the transaction was in the best interest of the Company and its stockholders at the time of its proposal, upon review and careful consideration, further discussions with management and its advisors and other relevant factors, the Board of Directors has determined that the costs of the proposed transaction now outweigh the benefits to the Company and its stockholders. The primary cause is the increased number of shares that are now held through accounts with fewer than 1,000 shares [ .. ] Great work. Can we now please stop sharing these opportunities on this forum, on Twitter and worst of all on SeekingAlpha? Some people are really too stupid to make some money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverLoseMoney Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Pretty sad that this happened. It's in the best interest of the company and the real long-term shareholders to deregister. In a situation like this, with a company that is in a fairly poor financial situation, it's unethical to buy merely to get cashed-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
writser Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I agree that it's pretty sad. Especially when somebody is trying to make a few hundred dollars by writing a SeekingAlpha article (link) and is really messing up the company's plans by doing so. In a less severe way all the people discussing on this public forum how to cash out an odd-lot are also guilty of interfering. And not only for HKFI! As Kraven said - tragedy of the commons ... btw: I think there would be no problem at all if they just set the record date to a day before the going-private announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragnarisapirate Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I agree that it's pretty sad. Especially when somebody is trying to make a few hundred dollars by writing a SeekingAlpha article (link) and is really messing up the company's plans by doing so. In a less severe way all the people discussing on this public forum how to cash out an odd-lot are also guilty of interfering. And not only for HKFI! As Kraven said - tragedy of the commons ... btw: I think there would be no problem at all if they just set the record date to a day before the going-private announcement. Kent Financial actually did that a few years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraven Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I agree that it's pretty sad. Especially when somebody is trying to make a few hundred dollars by writing a SeekingAlpha article (link) and is really messing up the company's plans by doing so. In a less severe way all the people discussing on this public forum how to cash out an odd-lot are also guilty of interfering. And not only for HKFI! As Kraven said - tragedy of the commons ... btw: I think there would be no problem at all if they just set the record date to a day before the going-private announcement. Indeed. Pandora's Box is open. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. In other words, this nice little way to pick up a few pennies is done. The curtain has closed on this tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter1234 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I agree that it's pretty sad. Especially when somebody is trying to make a few hundred dollars by writing a SeekingAlpha article (link) and is really messing up the company's plans by doing so. In a less severe way all the people discussing on this public forum how to cash out an odd-lot are also guilty of interfering. And not only for HKFI! As Kraven said - tragedy of the commons ... btw: I think there would be no problem at all if they just set the record date to a day before the going-private announcement. Indeed. Pandora's Box is open. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. In other words, this nice little way to pick up a few pennies is done. The curtain has closed on this tragedy. Surprised it took so long. Yes, just fix the record date. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddharth18 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 LOL...funny outcome with HKFI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachtwoord Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 LOL...funny outcome with HKFI. So, now they wait a month for all the odd lots to sell out and announce the merger again but this time with a date in the past. Problem solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddharth18 Posted August 8, 2014 Share Posted August 8, 2014 Why do share prices usually drop once the preliminary results are announced? Happened with GSOL and GSIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oplia Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 KCG odd lot offer - currently trades below minimum purchase price 13.45 vs 13.5-14. Probably will be tendered at lower limit, but in any case this is a risk free upside. Anyone playing this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 i just hate these tenders where they specify a range, it's not worth it usually to pick the lower amount but nobody wants to get stuck with this stuff if the tender doesnt go thru at the higher amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oplia Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I think almost all recent dutch tender offers happened at higher pricing limits (have a look at a few recent ones listed in here http://www.specialsituationinvestments.com/category/odd-lot-tender-offers/). So opposite to you, I see no problem in participating in odd lot tenders with the specified range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watsa_is_a_randian_hero Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Has anyone been following the GNL tender or the APLE Tender? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/global-net-lease-announces-tender-100000869.html http://finance.yahoo.com/news/apple-hospitality-reit-inc-begins-201500792.html I am in both of these. For those of us who use Interactive Brokers, it doesn't appear they are available in their system. I think something might be wrong with IB's system right now, because I did receive two notifications of corporate actions on these names from IB - but both were listed as "pending mergers", not tenders. Is anyone else having similar trouble with IB? If so, please call in and complain to IB so they realize this is not an isolated incident. Separately, does anyone know why these tenders often happen immediately after the company IPOs? It seems odd to me that they would list and then isssue a tender concurrently. The only reason I can think of is that it is a price-support mechanism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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