Liberty Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I invite you to find one other premium auto manufacturer who actually lowered prices when introducing a new version of the same model over the last 20 years. Spoiler alert: you will find none. Like Gregmal would say I am probably missing the forest through the trees and the simple fact that they are lowering prices must be another demonstration how Tesla is "vastly superior" to other auto manufacturers. You're comparing two different technologies that are at different levels of maturity. It's quite common for technologies that are in steeper parts of their development curves to either get cheaper or to give you more for the same price over time. Later on, as they get more mature, that tends to flatten out or reverse. So yeah, you're missing the forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Hmm Should I trim here.... decisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary17 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 i trimmed some at $ 520 kicking myself for not buying more at $ 520! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treasurehunt Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 About the narrative on Tesla: Tesla put out this blog post stating that "there is no unintended acceleration in Tesla vehicles" and how the petition was put forward by a short seller: https://www.tesla.com/nl_BE/blog/no-unintended-acceleration-tesla-vehicles?redirect=no I am too lazy to find more details, but over time I have seen enough video's on Twitter that show that at least something is rotten in the state of Denmark. e.g. As recent as yesterday, a Tesla crashed into a showroom in Germany, killing one of the visitors, in an accident that had at least some kind of a smell of sudden unintended acceleration: https://www.kn-online.de/Lokales/Rendsburg/Unfall-in-Nortorf-Auto-faehrt-in-Baumarkt-Frau-stirbt In the past, Tesla was able to pay off most of these victims while letting them sign NDA's, but I believe it is only a matter of time before a regulator will start to take real action. EV hacker wk057 on Teslamotorsclub has an open $10,000 bet for anyone who can show him a Tesla with a genuine sudden unintended acceleration problem: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/sudden-unexpected-acceleration-today.114650/page-29#post-3448407 He says he has pulled logs 17 times so far for purported SUA, and the problem turned out to be spurious each time. Having driven a Model 3 for a couple of years now, I can believe that hitting the accelerator pedal by mistake is more likely than with a gas car, since Tesla drivers do a lot of single-pedal driving. Also, there is less time to correct the mistake because of the instant acceleration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dhandho Investor Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Thanks for sharing, seems a non issue then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 About the narrative on Tesla: Tesla put out this blog post stating that "there is no unintended acceleration in Tesla vehicles" and how the petition was put forward by a short seller: https://www.tesla.com/nl_BE/blog/no-unintended-acceleration-tesla-vehicles?redirect=no I am too lazy to find more details, but over time I have seen enough video's on Twitter that show that at least something is rotten in the state of Denmark. e.g. As recent as yesterday, a Tesla crashed into a showroom in Germany, killing one of the visitors, in an accident that had at least some kind of a smell of sudden unintended acceleration: https://www.kn-online.de/Lokales/Rendsburg/Unfall-in-Nortorf-Auto-faehrt-in-Baumarkt-Frau-stirbt In the past, Tesla was able to pay off most of these victims while letting them sign NDA's, but I believe it is only a matter of time before a regulator will start to take real action. EV hacker wk057 on Teslamotorsclub has an open $10,000 bet for anyone who can show him a Tesla with a genuine sudden unintended acceleration problem: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/sudden-unexpected-acceleration-today.114650/page-29#post-3448407 He says he has pulled logs 17 times so far for purported SUA, and the problem turned out to be spurious each time. Having driven a Model 3 for a couple of years now, I can believe that hitting the accelerator pedal by mistake is more likely than with a gas car, since Tesla drivers do a lot of single-pedal driving. Also, there is less time to correct the mistake because of the instant acceleration. Reminds me of the Toyota issue a few years ago... It's possible that some cases were real, but a lot of cases were user error. Seems to happen especially often when you are making a turn and then want to brake, sometimes your brain transposes the spatial location of the pedal because you're senses are telling you you're turning, and then you hit the wrong pedal. But when you look at CCTV footage of the incident, you see that the brake lights never came on (and after the accident you show they work fine) even though the person says they were stepping on the brakes really hard. In fact, they were stepping on the gas really hard... It's actually something that happens fairly regularly, but once it's in the media and people have a story to latch onto, they blame it a lot more on the car because they're primed to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Adding to the anecdote pile, I was on the receiving end of a claimed 'sudden unintended acceleration' crash last year in a parking lot. The driver of a Model 3 bulldozed a Toyota sedan across two lanes of parking spaces and damaged at least 4 other cars, including my rental Suburban. The Toyota looked like a write-off but the Tesla was in good shape, just a bit of nose damage. The Tesla driver swore she hit the brakes. I would think the car would keep that data logged though, would it? Anyway, after the crash I was talking to the driver and her husband and they both still said the Model 3 was the best car they'd ever owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardboard Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 "Anyway, after the crash I was talking to the driver and her husband and they both still said the Model 3 was the best car they'd ever owned." Idiots will always be idiots. If I were to buy one of these things, I would certainly would want to have in hand a certificate indicating where it was made: in the factory by robots or in the tent? And I would not even trust it based on how this company responds to anything relative to customer complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muscleman Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Adding to the anecdote pile, I was on the receiving end of a claimed 'sudden unintended acceleration' crash last year in a parking lot. The driver of a Model 3 bulldozed a Toyota sedan across two lanes of parking spaces and damaged at least 4 other cars, including my rental Suburban. The Toyota looked like a write-off but the Tesla was in good shape, just a bit of nose damage. The Tesla driver swore she hit the brakes. I would think the car would keep that data logged though, would it? Anyway, after the crash I was talking to the driver and her husband and they both still said the Model 3 was the best car they'd ever owned. Hmm... Nowadays even my Chrysler van has automatic braking, so if I try to do that, it'll brake for me before the crash. Isn't TSLA the smartest car in the world? How can it not auto brake in this case? There's got to be a programming error regardless of whether the driver actually pressed the brake or gas pedal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Adding to the anecdote pile, I was on the receiving end of a claimed 'sudden unintended acceleration' crash last year in a parking lot. The driver of a Model 3 bulldozed a Toyota sedan across two lanes of parking spaces and damaged at least 4 other cars, including my rental Suburban. The Toyota looked like a write-off but the Tesla was in good shape, just a bit of nose damage. The Tesla driver swore she hit the brakes. I would think the car would keep that data logged though, would it? Anyway, after the crash I was talking to the driver and her husband and they both still said the Model 3 was the best car they'd ever owned. Hmm... Nowadays even my Chrysler van has automatic braking, so if I try to do that, it'll brake for me before the crash. Isn't TSLA the smartest car in the world? How can it not auto brake in this case? There's got to be a programming error regardless of whether the driver actually pressed the brake or gas pedal. Chryslers have accidents too. None of these systems work all the time in every situation, and a lot of them just allow the car to slow down before impact (which helps a lot) rather than avoid a crash altogether. We hear mostly about the crashes that happened and not about those that didn't, so it's hard to judge how effective these things are. Also, a lot of what we read online probably is just made up stuff, especially when it comes to heavily shorted companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muscleman Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Adding to the anecdote pile, I was on the receiving end of a claimed 'sudden unintended acceleration' crash last year in a parking lot. The driver of a Model 3 bulldozed a Toyota sedan across two lanes of parking spaces and damaged at least 4 other cars, including my rental Suburban. The Toyota looked like a write-off but the Tesla was in good shape, just a bit of nose damage. The Tesla driver swore she hit the brakes. I would think the car would keep that data logged though, would it? Anyway, after the crash I was talking to the driver and her husband and they both still said the Model 3 was the best car they'd ever owned. Hmm... Nowadays even my Chrysler van has automatic braking, so if I try to do that, it'll brake for me before the crash. Isn't TSLA the smartest car in the world? How can it not auto brake in this case? There's got to be a programming error regardless of whether the driver actually pressed the brake or gas pedal. Chryslers have accidents too. None of these systems work all the time in every situation, and a lot of them just allow the car to slow down before impact (which helps a lot) rather than avoid a crash altogether. We hear mostly about the crashes that happened and not about those that didn't, so it's hard to judge how effective these things are. Also, a lot of what we read online probably is just made up stuff, especially when it comes to heavily shorted companies. Are you implying that Chrysler has automatic acceleration problems? I haven’t heard of that. I agree that we need to check the data log from this Tesla to find out what’s going on. I wonder if it’s auto drive system encountered a bug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I asked the Tesla service center about battery replacement again this morning. He said my 85 kWh battery could either be replaced with a 75kWh battery for $12k, or with a 90kWh battery for $20k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I asked the Tesla service center about battery replacement again this morning. He said my 85 kWh battery could either be replaced with a 75kWh battery for $12k, or with a 90kWh battery for $20k. That's a big jump for that extra 15 kWh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Chryslers have accidents too. None of these systems work all the time in every situation, and a lot of them just allow the car to slow down before impact (which helps a lot) rather than avoid a crash altogether. We hear mostly about the crashes that happened and not about those that didn't, so it's hard to judge how effective these things are. Also, a lot of what we read online probably is just made up stuff, especially when it comes to heavily shorted companies. Are you implying that Chrysler has automatic acceleration problems? I haven’t heard of that. I agree that we need to check the data log from this Tesla to find out what’s going on. I wonder if it’s auto drive system encountered a bug No, sorry if I wasn't clear. You said "even my Chrysler van has automatic braking, so if I try to do that, it'll brake for me before the crash". I meant that automatic braking doesn't prevent 100% of crashes for any brand, so to say that Tesla's automatic braking must be faulty because there was a crash doesn't quite work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary17 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 $620 secured lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 $620 secured lol What a roller coaster the past couple years have been... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 $620 secured lol What a roller coaster the past couple years have been... Great example why hodling for multibaggers is far from easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 $620 secured lol What a roller coaster the past couple years have been... Great example why hodling for multibaggers is far from easy. I want to see a $666 close . I would take it as a sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fareastwarriors Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcliu Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Next stop 1k! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 But, but, but... the shorts have better research.. All jokes aside, can all these short sellers, who are clearly wrong, please just move on and get out of the stock already so that the negative carry rates plummet..... so I can short it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Idea of the year! https://www.valueinvestorsclub.com/idea/TESLA_equity_options/2025260206 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 "Due to continued engineering progress of the Model Y all-wheel drive (AWD), we have been able to increase its maximum EPA range to 315 miles, compared to our previous estimate of 280 miles. This extends Model Y's lead as the most energy-efficient electric SUV in the world.“ Cool to see ranges keep going up. At some point progress probably will stop being reinvested in more range and instead range will start more contant and either margins will go up or prices go down (or likely a mix of both). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Investmentacct Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 95k vehicles delivered. Looking forward to reading more bear drivel about demand cliffs and vaporware and how this is all just like Enron. Oh wait, I can just read the comments that have already been posted on here for entertainment. Most of the people who are stating demand cliff never took flights going to SFO, LAX or stepped on to one of those California Cities. Majority of California streets are getting flooded as people realize cost to operate Tesla is 1/4 of Gas powered car or practically no driving cost to drive. Smart, IOT systems, Autopilot, Car Driven Games, Superchargers availability, Long road-trips etc are top of icing. Value offered by Tesla Model 3,X,S is far more than stated otherwise in comparable price range gas cars. Majority of demand comes from places where gas prices are 4$ or above where majority of world stands today other than continental US. Bro, why would they do some real world scuttlebutt research like that when they can just follow all their #TSLAQ friends on Twitter to satisfy their need for endless confirmation bias? It warrants a thank you note to all of #TSLAQ friends. Especially to those who sold OTM LEAPS during those times to the longs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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