Jurgis Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 OT: I've heard people who buy scratch tickets say that it isn't gambling in their case, because they do it to support the schools? :) Yes, I do that too. It's a convenient way to pay extra taxes to my state. BTW, I think that everyone who pays taxes should get lottery tickets as reward. Would make the system so much more attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 OT: Yes, I do that too. It's a convenient way to pay extra taxes to my state. Oh good God, I'd rather admit to being a gambler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Porshce 918 Spyder: 0-60 in 2.2 seconds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_918 $847K is a bit pricy though. The next Tesla Roaster will likely be quicker than the Porsche 918 Spyder is my best guess. What else would "Maximum Plaid" be referring to other than 1.x seconds? And probably at about 1/8 the price. Literally 1/8 the price! 2.2 seconds isn't relatively impressive considering the size of the vehicles. Heck, the huge Model S does it in 2.8 seconds and you can bring the entire family along with you -- it even has almost as much cargo volume as a BMW X5. The Spyder has room for the trophy wife but not her shopping bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CONeal Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 The Spyder has room for the trophy wife but not her shopping bags. Sounds like the perfect car to me. You get the girl without the baggage. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picasso Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/corner-office-marketplace/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-future-runs-batteries Fairly interesting interview with a couple new pieces of information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 They are rolling out the "Autopilot" software update: http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/14/news/tesla-elon-musk-autopilot/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom Hopefully the autonomous unmanned car bomber doesn't happen as I fear it eventually will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 They are rolling out the "Autopilot" software update: http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/14/news/tesla-elon-musk-autopilot/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom Hopefully the autonomous unmanned car bomber doesn't happen as I fear it eventually will. http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/index.php?topic=13169" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic" 239250#msg239250 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 It's probably a good thing that Toyota isn't a leader in the area of autonomous self-driving vehicles. Imagine a self-driving Toyota Hilux. The US drones would be fighting against the ISIS drones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilermaker75 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 The Spyder has room for the trophy wife but not her shopping bags. Sounds like the perfect car to me. You get the girl without the baggage. :D ROFLMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picasso Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 http://mashable.com/2015/10/14/tesla-high-precision-digital-maps/ Amazing that with 60k autopilot cars or so on the road (and more in the future), they'll be able to map out and practice more autonomous miles in one day than what Google spent years doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 http://mashable.com/2015/10/14/tesla-high-precision-digital-maps/ Amazing that with 60k autopilot cars or so on the road (and more in the future), they'll be able to map out and practice more autonomous miles in one day than what Google spent years doing. And in 3 years... Musk said he believes Tesla is three years away from having a fully autonomous car — not counting the inevitable regulatory battle to get the tech to the public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieD Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Musk said he believes Tesla is three years away from having a fully autonomous car — not counting the inevitable regulatory battle to get the tech to the public. Given his notorious optimism on timing that might mean it's 7-8 years away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Suppose you have an autonomous driving update today, rather than in 3 years. You are drunk at a bar and want to get home. But you don't want to risk getting a DUI. So you tell the car to drive you home and you climb into the back seat. Traffic officer pulls you over and sees that you are drunk. Technically, can he give you a DUI? You are just a passenger in a vehicle that has no driver, right? Sure, he can cite you for not being behind the wheel as required by law today with regards to software assisted steering technologies (probably a much lighter offense), but you can't get nailed for DUI right? What are all those DUI lawyers going to do? Another job eliminated by tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Suppose you have an autonomous driving update today, rather than in 3 years. You are drunk at a bar and want to get home. But you don't want to risk getting a DUI. So you tell the car to drive you home and you climb into the back seat. Traffic officer pulls you over and sees that you are drunk. Technically, can he give you a DUI? You are just a passenger in a vehicle that has no driver, right? Sure, he can cite you for not being behind the wheel as required by law today with regards to software assisted steering technologies (probably a much lighter offense), but you can't get nailed for DUI right? What are all those DUI lawyers going to do? Another job eliminated by tech. How many people are injured and killed in road accidents? I think it'll have a decently big impact on healthcare and insurance over time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmitz Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Musk said he believes Tesla is three years away from having a fully autonomous car — not counting the inevitable regulatory battle to get the tech to the public. Given his notorious optimism on timing that might mean it's 7-8 years away. That’s still pretty great, isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieD Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 How many people are injured and killed in road accidents? I think it'll have a decently big impact on healthcare and insurance over time... Good point. Less risk like you write about will affect total premiums. I think healthcare has other big growth drivers compensating (e.g. demand for fancy treatments) but cars probably less so. Insurance is moving sales and claim handling to the web and (more slowly) on sight underwriting entirely into software. This will decrease number of employees drastically. At least that's the theory..it's yet to be seen in employment numbers afaik. It'll be interesting to see if insurance is going to be sold by the autonomous makers themselves. They should have a pretty easy road to creating a pay-as-you-go insurance based on use habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picasso Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The problem is you get idiots like this: Autopilot is meant for highway driving, not two lane roads where you can get someone else killed. This will take some time in terms of educating people, but there's going to be a few that push the limits on what is still beta technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The problem is you get idiots like this: Autopilot is meant for highway driving, not two lane roads where you can get someone else killed. This will take some time in terms of educating people, but there's going to be a few that push the limits on what is still beta technology. Just imagine how easy it would be for Tesla to only allow it on highways. GPS! Check. MAP! Check. If... Gps Coordinate Not on Mapped Highway Then... Disable Autopilot End if So I conclude that they aren't trying very hard to keep it "highway only". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The problem is you get idiots like this: Autopilot is meant for highway driving, not two lane roads where you can get someone else killed. This will take some time in terms of educating people, but there's going to be a few that push the limits on what is still beta technology. Just imagine how easy it would be for Tesla to only allow it on highways. GPS! Check. MAP! Check. If... Gps Coordinate Not on Mapped Highway Then... Disable Autopilot End if So I conclude that they aren't trying very hard to keep it "highway only". That is my conclusion as well. Which means they don't think it is meant for highway only. It is meant for when the driver feels it is safe to use. You don't need to have an autonomous car feature to do stupid things with a vehicle. I was just reading a newspaper story today about a couple of local guys arrested for passing a cop at an incredible speed on motorcycles and after viewing the footage on their Gopro camera the police are charging them with doing 160MPH on the highway. The best part of the story is the mugshot of the guy smirking: http://www.unionleader.com/Motorcyclists-charged-with-going-160-mph-after-review-of-GoPro People can abuse any technology from a rock, to fire, to a hammer, to an autonomous vehicle. That isn't a reason to limit the use of those things by the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Picasso Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The difference is that Tesla software 7.0 (which includes Autopilot for anything produced past August of last year) makes you agree to 1) keeping your hands on the wheel and 2) operating on highways. Someone who speeds or shoots people is willingly abusing the capabilities of those tools. If you don't agree to operate "autopilot" under the terms of agreement then you're willingly putting many other lives at risk because of a fundamental misunderstanding of the technology (which seems to be the primary issue here) or just because of carelessness. 99% of people know not to speed 160 MPH or shoot up colleges. But I don't think 99% of people with autopilot understand that it's a driver assist program which is collecting enough data to one day be autopilot. It's not there yet but it's mostly there for highway driving. Edit: Forgot to include "don't" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merkhet Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I think I've written this elsewhere, but has anyone considered the possibility that autopilot won't necessarily reduce the number of accidents? Let me rephrase this. Have people considered the idea that autopilot will push accidents into the fat tails? So some complex interaction that goes wrong in the software affects a larger percentage of people than would be the case with heterogenous human drivers versus largely homogenous software drivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The difference is that Tesla software 7.0 (which includes Autopilot for anything produced past August of last year) makes you agree to 1) keeping your hands on the wheel and 2) operating on highways. Someone who speeds or shoots people is willingly abusing the capabilities of those tools. If you agree to operate "autopilot" under the terms of agreement then you're willingly putting many other lives at risk because of a fundamental misunderstanding of the technology (which seems to be the primary issue here) or just because of carelessness. 99% of people know not to speed 160 MPH or shoot up colleges. But I don't think 99% of people with autopilot understand that it's a driver assist program which is collecting enough data to one day be autopilot. It's not there yet but it's mostly there for highway driving. Are you trying to imply that people agree to software terms without reading them through carefully? :) Maybe Tesla should make it more clear if that is the case, but like Ericopoly said it would have been easy for them to forbid it entirely and they chose not to. Also I hope way more than 99% know not do those things you mentioned. 1% is a lot of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary17 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 so as more auto pilot vehicles are on the road.. over the next few years there should be enough data to find out if accident is reduced ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I think I've written this elsewhere, but has anyone considered the possibility that autopilot won't necessarily reduce the number of accidents? Let me rephrase this. Have people considered the idea that autopilot will push accidents into the fat tails? So some complex interaction that goes wrong in the software affects a larger percentage of people than would be the case with heterogenous human drivers versus largely homogenous software drivers? I think you are correct about accidents still happening and some quite catastrophic ones as well, but I think it will still be much fewer deaths and software can learn from each incident and be improved on average every year. I think human drivers on average are about as good as they will ever be already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I think you are correct about accidents still happening and some quite catastrophic ones as well, but I think it will still be much fewer deaths and software can learn from each incident and be improved on average every year. I think human drivers on average are about as good as they will ever be already. Although I am all for driverless cars, I disagree with last sentence. Human drivers with assisted technology can be much better than they are already. E.g. blind spot notifications. If car tells you that there's another car in your blind spot, you will likely avoid the accident. That improves human as a driver. So the comparison should not be "humans in 2010 cars" vs. "driverless cars". It should be "humans in 2017++ cars" vs. "driverless cars". ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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