frommi Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 Trading below net-cash, has just delisted from NASDAQ and was bought by STEEL EXCEL INC in August for 3.95$. According to the SEC files they replaced the management. It currently trades at 2.25$ with 3.19$ Cash on the balance sheet and no debt. They are cashflow/income negative but had 3.4m$ revenues in the last quarter. They produce smartphone/tablet/notebook accessories. I don`t think STEEL EXCEL INC would pay nearly double the price for this company if they didn`t have a plan to turn it around. But i must admit that i don`t know anything about them :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowIQinvestor Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 You may also want to look at SXCL just took a look and it trades a little under BV and looks to do about $8M in net income (2013). You can get exposure to the IGOI stock and a little conglomerate in the making. I think they have some large NOLs too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrock77 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 IGOI has about $180 million in NOLs. Seems like SXCL is after those vs. IGOI's dying operating business, assuming SXCL can use the NOLs at the parent level. Any idea? It's almost a mini-SXCL (i.e. a dying business, for SXCL it was ADPT, with cash and large NOLs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted December 27, 2013 Author Share Posted December 27, 2013 I don`t think that they can use the NOL`s currently at the parent company, but i am not an expert in this field. It looks like they started to stop the bleeding. According to the last press release they have licensed their products to Incipio and sold their inventory to them. That can possbly add another 2-3 million to the cash buffer. I think its now safe to assume that the cash of 3.18 per share will still be in place when the next earnings are released. I am not sure if it was a prudent move to post this idea here before loading up more. ;D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrock77 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 If what happened with SXCL is a guide, they'll use the cash or at least some of it fairly soon to buy a business and make use of the NOLs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yader Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 First post here, and am very new to learning value investing. Patience/grace/help much appreciated! So with $180mil NOLs the parent will use the $9mil cash from IGOI to buy a profitable business (hopefully) and then offset that profitable business income with the NOLs in the years to come. Questions: 1) With the inventory and license to Incipio do they still have other cash flow negative business? 2) The margin of safety here is that there is cash per share without any debts in excess of share price. We're buying $1 for ~0.70. The share price of IGOI will be dependent on a new business that is bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wellmont Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 what a truly awful company. no opinion on whether it goes up or down. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted June 26, 2014 Author Share Posted June 26, 2014 Its starts to get interesting: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/igo-inc-announces-reverse-forward-215900233.html Small shareholders are cashed out at 3.35$. Is there some formula to value the NOL`s? I valued them at around 50% of the cashvalue, but i have no clue if this is a good number. (I think i thought about how much taxes they can save from profits that can be made on the cash in the next 10 years in theory.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LowIQinvestor Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 FYI: SXCL (Steel Excel ) just did the same thing http://finance.yahoo.com/news/steel-excel-inc-board-approves-201500695.html They just keep buying up businesses with large NOLs. SXCL may be a better, more diversified (safer) way to play IGOI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted June 26, 2014 Author Share Posted June 26, 2014 IGOI currently trades around the net cash value and they have stopped the money bleeding, so for me this still looks safe (Its buying a dollar+NOLs for a dollar). But i bought this with a discount to netcash and try do determine what a fairvalue may be to exit there. Without a value for the NOL`s i can`t calculate that number. So how do i value the NOL`s? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter1234 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 IGOI currently trades around the net cash value and they have stopped the money bleeding, so for me this still looks safe (Its buying a dollar+NOLs for a dollar). But i bought this with a discount to netcash and try do determine what a fairvalue may be to exit there. Without a value for the NOL`s i can`t calculate that number. So how do i value the NOL`s? :) How to value a known unknown? Question is in which years will they save how much in taxes? Seems to me you did the right thing to DCF the saved taxes over next 10 years. They can shield profits from current operations, from an acquired biz, or be acquired themselves. There are probably lots of details and regulations but this is the general gist. Unfortunately I am not aware of an easier answer but would be happy to learn one... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted June 26, 2014 Author Share Posted June 26, 2014 Thanks for your reply, sometimes its good to just get a hint to be on the right path. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 I am out now, current price is not far from my fair value and they are late with their filings (if they ever file again?). Was a nice learning lesson about netnets/forced selling and a return of nearly 50% for an 8 month holding period was pleasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter1234 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Congratulations on a great return! :) Sometimes it pays to buy a truly awful company... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frommi Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 Congratulations on a great return! :) Sometimes it pays to buy a truly awful company... ;) Yes :). Thanks again for helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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